Anybody See the 6th at Laurel Today?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

He only dropped 6 lengths back after he checked the first time. He fell 10 lengths back after he checked sharply the second time. The horse was literally 10 back at the 5/16th pole.

I agree with you that he beat bad horses. But I think he would have won by 8-9 lengths if he would have drawn an outside post. If he drew an outside post, he wouldn't have been in tight and checked twice. I don't think he would have ever fallen more than 3 lengths back without the trouble.

Since you like speed figures, I will talk speed figures. He ran a 77 Beyer first time out sprinting. I think that's a reasonable number for a big, long striding Stephen Got Even colt who is not a sprinter. He only had a handful of half-mile works going into that race and he drew the rail. He had everything going against him in that race and he ran a decent 2nd. Under the circumstances, I think running a 77 Beyer that day was a decent number. He's not the kind of horse that I would have expected to run a 90 Beyer first-time out sprinting.

Your missing the point... The trip is meaningless.. Nobody is saying the colt cant be OK in the future just that at this time he hasn't shown enough speed to make anyone believe he has G1 abilty?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Your missing the point... The trip is meaningless.. Nobody is saying the colt cant be OK in the future just that at this time he hasn't shown enough speed to make anyone believe he has G1 abilty?

There are a ton of stakes horses that did not run "fast" early in their careers. I've got the PPs for the Breeders Cup in front of me. Summer Bird debuted as a 3 year old in March at Oaklawn. He got beat by a length and he ran a 65 Beyer. In his next race, he won and he ran a 78 Beyer.

Mine That Bird was winning stakes races at Woodbine in September and October of his 2 year old year. In his wins in September and October he got 77 and 78 Beyers. When he broke his maiden in August, he only got a 71 Beyer.

When Noble's Promise broke his maiden in September, he got a 73 Beyer. Piscitelli got a 63 Beyer first-time out in July when he ran 2nd beaten a head. He came back and won and got a 72 Beyer.

Crown of Thorns got a 72 first-time out in December right before he turned 3. Biofuel got a 55 Beyer when she broke her maiden first-time out in July. Da' Funnybone won by 7 lengths first-time out but he only got a 70 Beyer (granted that was in May of his 2 year old year). The list goes on and on.

With any one of those horses, if you would have made a post about them, you would have had the numbers guys telling you that those horses were "slow".