Jerry Moss just said....

[prudery]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Wouldn't be surprised if Mr. 'Sportsman' ducks Big Mama for as long as possible … maybe even till the BC…

Jackson said in an interview after the awards that the Apple Blossom is too soon as Rachel is not fit enough ...

So the Apple Blossom works out to be roughly a 7 month layoff--which was greatly criticised for Zenyatta last year ...

Both sides have indicated a willingness to pony up and do this meeting, but there are rumors that Rachel may not quite be Rachel as yet, or maybe more ...

Rumors can be just that or something else again ...

[PatCummings]

So does Moss try to stick it to Jackson's stallion and go for the earnings mark with Zenyatta in Dubai?

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

So does Moss try to stick it to Jackson's stallion and go for the earnings mark with Zenyatta in Dubai?

No, that would be terrible for all sides and for racing fans in general.

We do not want to see Zenyatta knocked out for the rest of the year, and if she goes to Dubai, we may never see her until fall. Why not just stay in the US and prove Zenyatta can win the big dirt races on the east? That's a more worthwhile goal that will make fans happy.

[tector]

People are REALLY overrating the BCC field this past year.

It was filled with top flight horses--for dirt. And it had another top flight horse--for grass. But for plastic? No one can reasonably say it was a great field for that surface.

I think think this vote was in some part a vote against plastic campaigns. Zenyatta is a great horse, but Moss has no one but himself to blame for staging an all plastic campaign in 2009. If he had won one major race on dirt, he might have had a different result, IMO.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by prudery

Jackson said in an interview after the awards that the Apple Blossom is too soon as Rachel is not fit enough ...

So the Apple Blossom works out to be roughly a 7 month layoff--which was greatly criticised for Zenyatta last year ...

Both sides have indicated a willingness to pony up and do this meeting, but there are rumors that Rachel may not quite be Rachel as yet, or maybe more ...

Rumors can be just that or something else again ...

Uh-oh … Asmussen probably has the lab boys working round-the-clock on some new 'vitamins'................. lol

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Uh-oh … Asmussen probably has the lab boys working round-the-clock on some new 'vitamins'................. lol

Sheriffs keeps his stash hidden under his hat.

[Smooth Operator]

Uh, tector, did you watch those two Euros destroy Curlin in the '08 BCC.

They clearly had no problem with the "plastic".

Did you see how the Euros fared against Big Mama last year?

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Uh, tector, did you watch those two Euros destroy Curlin in the '08 BCC.

They clearly had no problem with the "plastic".

Did you see how the Euros fared against Big Mama last year?

The Plastic Mama sure showed them, as did turf champion Gio Ponti.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

The Plastic Mama sure showed them, as did turf champion Gio Ponti.

A couple terrific performances on Championship Saturday … while the so-called 'Horse-of-the-Year' was lying in her stall getting fat...

[tector]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Uh, tector, did you watch those two Euros destroy Curlin in the '08 BCC.

They clearly had no problem with the "plastic".

Did you see how the Euros fared against Big Mama last year?

09 "Euros" are just the same as 08 "Euros" because...you say so? You can't even bother to name them. Euros just equal Euros to you--brilliant. What deep thinking.

Horses are individuals. You have no idea how the 09 Euros would run on plastic without seeing them do it.

What a dopey, simplistic "argument".

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by tector

09 "Euros" are just the same as 08 "Euros" because...you say so? You can't even bother to name them. Euros just equal Euros to you--brilliant. What deep thinking.

Horses are individuals. You have no idea how the 09 Euros would run on plastic without seeing them do it.

What a dopey, simplistic "argument".

Uh, tector, there were at least two Euros which won Cup races on Pro-Ride last year... and others which ran well … including the one (Twice Over) which was no match for Big Mama in the Classic.

Btw, the same TO which beat '08 BCC winner Raven's Pass that year in Europe.

[tector]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Uh, tector, there were at least two Euros which won Cup races on Pro-Ride last year... and others which ran well … including the one (Twice Over) which was no match for Big Mama in the Classic.

Btw, the same TO which beat '08 BCC winner Raven's Pass that year in Europe.

Is there a point to this? Let's see if anybody, besides you, can see it.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by prudery

So the Apple Blossom works out to be roughly a 7 month layoff--which was greatly criticised for Zenyatta last year ...

Zenyatta's 7 month layoff was in one year. RA's layoff, if it will be that long, will be spread over two years. Big difference if the issue is Horse of the Year.

[prudery]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Zenyatta's 7 month layoff was in one year. RA's layoff, if it will be that long, will be spread over two years. Big difference if the issue is Horse of the Year.

I am not sure I get this ...

If Rachel is off from Sept 09 until April or later that is seven months over two years ??

If Zenyatta was off from the BCC of 08-Nov--May 09 roughly aren't they the same ???

Does HOY give you a pass to a longer layoff ??? Really ???

It didn't by a longshot for the other Jackson HOY Curlin ...

[tector]

And PS: did anybody say the 2008 BCC field was great for that surface? I must have missed that....

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by prudery

I am not sure I get this ...

If Rachel is off from Sept 09 until April or later that is seven months over two years ??

If Zenyatta was off from the BCC of 08-Nov--May 09 roughly aren't they the same ???

Does HOY give you a pass to a longer layoff ??? Really ???

It didn't by a longshot for the other Jackson HOY Curlin ...

So RA was to be punished in 2009 for time taken off in 2010? In the debate for 2009 HOY, all that matters is what happened in 2009.

[prudery]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

So RA was to be punished in 2009 for time taken off in 2010? In the debate for 2009 HOY, all that matters is what happened in 2009.

Not at all ...

I simply said Zenyatta was criticised for the leisurely layoff the year before and Rachel will have the same layoff from last year to this year ...

I do not believe EITHER should be criticised for it ...

See the difference ???

[tector]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

So RA was to be punished in 2009 for time taken off in 2010? In the debate for 2009 HOY, all that matters is what happened in 2009.

Read the first quote in my sig--it will tell you all you need to know about these clowns.

I remember when I first started discussing horses with people on the Internet, in the 90s. The people in CA were not allowed to have simulcasting from out-of-state, so because all they knew was CA, CA racing had to be the alpha and omega of racing.

At least they had the "mushroom defense"--they were kept in the dark and fed BS constantly. What excuse these people have, I don't know.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by tector

Read the first quote in my sig--it will tell you all you need to know about these clowns.

I remember when I first started discussing horses with people on the Internet, in the 90s. The people in CA were not allowed to have simulcasting from out-of-state, so because all they knew was CA, CA racing had to be the alpha and omega of racing.

At least they had the "mushroom defense"--they were kept in the dark and fed BS constantly. What excuse these people have, I don't know.

But, East coast racing sucked then!

[prudery]

It is a great quote, but it does not apply to me, whom I am sure the reference was to ...

After the Woodward of Sept 09, the remainder of Sept, Oct 09, Nov 09 and Dec09 are of course, all of THAT year ...

The time mentioned off in '10 was to correlate the total time off for Rachel's layoff in relation to Zenyatta's ...

Nothing clownish ..

The original poster and I apparently had some communication problems ...

Nowhere did I mention " punishing " a HOY ..

Wittgenstein is also an interetsing reference--ComStu 250 if I am remembering right ..

I am from New York ...