Doubt They Run at SA.. UPDATE: Charles says synthetic out..

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by TalkToTheHoof

Does anyone know if SA would have to get permission from the CHRB to go back to dirt? If so, would that petition be public?

From what I've heard, that won't be an issue. They will be allowed to put in dirt if they want to.

[SlewsMyHero]

Hopefully "the Bykster" will be able to get Ron Charles or Hammerle on ATR this evening to talk about it. I'll be listening to the archives later tonight.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by SlewsMyHero

Hopefully "the Bykster" will be able to get Ron Charles or Hammerle on ATR this evening to talk about it. I'll be listening to the archives later tonight.

Ron Charles came on at 5:15pm.

ARCHIVE:
http://www.thoroughbredracingradione...y=18&Itemid=35

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

From what I've heard, that won't be an issue. They will be allowed to put in dirt if they want to.

Who is paying for this? Breeders Cup? Didn't know they had such funds available. Suit against Pro-Ride? Who are they going to sell the surface to? (training center, etc)

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Who is paying for this? Breeders Cup? Didn't know they had such funds available. Suit against Pro-Ride? Who are they going to sell the surface to? (training center, etc)

Santa Anita will have to pay for it. I don't know how they'll come up with the money but they'll have to find a way. They can't have a track that runs in the winter that has to cancel racing every time it rains.

They can't sue Pro-Ride. Pro-Ride didn't do anything wrong. It was Cushion-Track that put in the track and botched the job. Pro-Ride came in there and tried to fix it and had only limited success. To totally fix it, I think they will have to totally re-do the drainage system and/or the base.

By the way, they can't sue Cushion Track because Cushion Track went bankrupt.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

By the way, they can't sue Cushion Track because Cushion Track went bankrupt.

You're right, yeah, that was Cushion Track that started at SA. Breeder's Cup may be paying for some of it? Again, but they don't have money, either - especially with foal nominations down.

Wonder if SA saved it's old cushion - they had it set aside, what did they end up doing with it?

[Thoroughbred Fan]

If dirt track supers had a choice, they would love to have unlimited staff to make a dirt track great. Constant dragging, raking, and constant divot replacing/top dress replacing; that would correct all. No.

The correct choice is a mix of both, but not by state. The correct mix would be based on climate, not by delegate.

If they use the right judgment, synthetic can only help the northern states. Why So Cal uses it, I'll never know.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

SA just cancelled for Thursday.

That 7 race card they had scheduled ... with mostly all small fields .. it will be missed.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

SA just cancelled for Thursday.

That 7 race card they had scheduled ... with mostly all small fields .. it will be missed.

They should be running 3 days a week anyway with the few dozen horses they have.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I thought fewer horses was a good thing?

Less horses = less injuries = less work for the horse ambulance =

[Honu]

Hey I was wondering if anyone could help me find articles saying how wonderfull and great the dirt surface was . Thanks in advance.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Honu

Hey I was wondering if anyone could help me find articles saying how wonderfull and great the dirt surface was . Thanks in advance.

I don't think anyone is espousing a bad dirt course being put back in at SA. The hope is that a dirt course can be installed that will be safe and able to hold up to the elements. Realistically, this is a joke. There's been a grand total of 1.96 inches of rain recorded at SA from 1/17 thru 1/19. That is roughly the equivalent of what falls in an hour and a half of a strong thunderstorm in many parts of the country. Now there might not be racing until Saturday, if that? I understand there's more rain coming tonight but for crissakes, this is ridiculous.

On another note, when's Witty running?

NT

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I don't think anyone is espousing a bad dirt course being put back in at SA. The hope is that a dirt course can be installed that will be safe and able to hold up to the elements. Realistically, this is a joke. There's been a grand total of 1.96 inches of rain recorded at SA from 1/17 thru 1/19. That is roughly the equivalent of what falls in an hour and a half of a strong thunderstorm in many parts of the country. Now there might not be racing until Saturday, if that? I understand there's more rain coming tonight but for crissakes, this is ridiculous.

On another note, when's Witty running?

NT

Cal Racing = NY Mets

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Realistically, this is a joke. There's been a grand total of 1.96 inches of rain recorded at SA from 1/17 thru 1/19. That is roughly the equivalent of what falls in an hour and a half of a strong thunderstorm in many parts of the country.

NT

So you feel that California should engineer their drainage for storms from other parts of the Country?

[Honu]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I don't think anyone is espousing a bad dirt course being put back in at SA. The hope is that a dirt course can be installed that will be safe and able to hold up to the elements. Realistically, this is a joke. There's been a grand total of 1.96 inches of rain recorded at SA from 1/17 thru 1/19. That is roughly the equivalent of what falls in an hour and a half of a strong thunderstorm in many parts of the country. Now there might not be racing until Saturday, if that? I understand there's more rain coming tonight but for crissakes, this is ridiculous.

On another note, when's Witty running?

NT

Dude the whole place is swamped , training track is floating , I live 5 mins from Santa Anita and the total until last night at my place was 2 and 1/4 inches. I agree it ridiculous that the jerks that installed the original drainage system and surface have so screwed the track up that there is no coming back. What do you want a miracle ? There is no miracle cure for a system that doesnt work and if we get the rain they are projecting for today I dont care if the whole track was scotch guarded , its screwed.
So where do you think they are going to find material for a good "safe" racing surface? I mean its not like the old days where you can go dredge a river for fine even sandy loam . So other than Zia Park in N.M. where was the last "good" dirt surfaced installed?
The material they have here in California is the same that was on that dirt track that led to so many horses dying that in a futile attempt to stop the carnage they rushed to judgement about synthetics.
Im not saying synthetics are the saving grace but at least there is some hope with them , we can learn how to make them better and how to improve them , with dirt I think all resources have been used and it will still always be dirt.
Witty needs a few more works then she is ready to ROLL!!!!!!!! She looks awesome dude , she gotz more junk in her trunk than J Lo.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Honu

Hey I was wondering if anyone could help me find articles saying how wonderfull and great the dirt surface was . Thanks in advance.

Paulick Report has interesting discussion of this today, how the interests of horseplayers, owners, track mgt, trainers differ, and how that plays into decisions about track composition. And about how Sheik Mo just put in synthetic surface.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Honu

Hey I was wondering if anyone could help me find articles saying how wonderfull and great the dirt surface was . Thanks in advance.

That isn't the point..If they spent the money on starting from square one and re built a world class dirt track that featured proper drainage, a well constructed cushion, and was maintained correctly would it be at least as safe as Pro Ride. California cant further alienate itself from racing by having horses that are dirt runners failing on Pro Ride.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Honu

Hey I was wondering if anyone could help me find articles saying how wonderfull and great the dirt surface was . Thanks in advance.

replacing a bad surface with a bad surface is no fix at all. the chrb shouldn't have mandated this to begin with, and tracks shouldn't have bought into the 'maintenance-, injury-, fatality-free mantra that the poly tracks were selling them. if it sounds too good to be true, it is. a good dirt track would have fixed their problems. how much time and money has been spent at SA? how much have they lost due to this mess between re-doing, lost days, etc? sheer idiocy from the get-go.