Obama for Small Business

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Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

It may take even more backroom deals and bribery to get this ultra-partisan, unpopular, monstrosity of a healthcare "reform" through both houses.

Naw. McConnell signed off on minority blanket approval of amendments. The Dems [edit: if they lose the 60th vote] will just have the House pass the already passed Senate bill, and work on it later; or just do reconciliation. Healthcare reform is a done deal, the only remaining questions are what the startup bill will specifically contain, and how it's passed.

BTW, the main reason it's unpopular is that it doesn't contain a public option. Aside from the minority right who would vote against any healthcare reform, any "unpopularity" stems from the majority who want healthcare reform considering the current Senate version of the bill being too reconcilatory, too weak, too watered down.

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I thought it was unpopular because it is a power grabbing intrusion into peoples lives that this country can't afford and doesn't need at this time. It is full of unfair tax increases on everyone. Not just those earning over $250,000. Didn't the Unions get stroked enough when Obama seized GM and Chrysler and gave them to the UAW? How are those companies doing right now? New leadership doesn't seem to have them turning the corner yet. The economy is a bigger priority than National Healthcare in most peoples minds.

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I thought it was unpopular because it is a power grabbing intrusion into peoples lives that this country can't afford and doesn't need at this time.

Naw. This President was elected on the promise of massive healthcare reform, and regulation of the insurance industry that controls our healthcare industry. One of his major platforms. Trouble is, the Senate has watered it down terribly.

It is full of unfair tax increases on everyone. Not just those earning over $250,000.

Not the House version (which is more self-funding). The Senate version taxes more, as they took out some funding the House version has.

Didn't the Unions get stroked enough when Obama seized GM and Chrysler and gave them to the UAW? How are those companies doing right now? New leadership doesn't seem to have them turning the corner yet. The economy is a bigger priority than National Healthcare in most peoples minds.

The Unions gave up alot - they certainly didn't get stroked! - with GM and Chrysler. What do you think the unions got out of that? Mostly massive cuts, and giving up stuff. GM and Chrysler needed to go bankrupt.
Ford, meanwhile, did great and emerged leaner and meaner and more profitable.

The economy? We are turning around. You don't turn a major recession around in a few months and make it all gone. It started turning around under Bush with his very late bailouts, and is continuing.

The only arguments I've been reading from economists lately is that the stimulus plans were okay, but not enough to really make an impact on jobs. Hindsight is 20-20 in the financial world, however, now some wish the stimulus' were even more aggressive.