U.S Intelligence a real oxymorn w/ this Nigerian

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The war on terrorism has "heated up" with this President? You cant be serious? The reason they were "overlooked" is that they were all fairly minor stories compared to the years and years of many more important terror suspects captured or killed during the previous 7 years. Pointing out a couple of googled stories doesnt make your point. As usual you "defend" Obama despite your statement being what was questioned, not Obama.

Let's see.

I paid attention to these news stories when they happened. I recalled them. So I said: "Obama has gotten more terrorists in the past 12 months than Bush did in the last five years."

You said: "That's preposterous".

So I listed seven terrorists - two of whom are pretty damn important - Obama has had taken out in the US, Somalia (the most feared terrorist there), and Pakistan in the past year.

So, your turn. List the countless terrorists Bush has taken out in the last five years of his administration.

BTW - listing the specific examples I am talking about - that's called "proof" and "evidence" - exactly makes my point.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Let's see.

I paid attention to these news stories when they happened. I recalled them. So I said: "Obama has gotten more terrorists in the past 12 months than Bush did in the last five years."

You said: "That's preposterous".

So I listed seven terrorists - two of whom are pretty damn important - Obama has had taken out in the US, Somalia (the most feared terrorist there), and Pakistan in the past year.

So, your turn. List the countless terrorists Bush has taken out in the last five years of his administration.

BTW - listing the specific examples I am talking about - that's called "proof" and "evidence" - exactly makes my point.

Ok. How about the vast majority of Guantanamo detainees? You know like 300 of them? What you are claiming is borderline retarded. That more terrorists were captured or killed in Iraq and Afganistan over the last 7 years than the last year is pretty much indisputable except to you. Your "evidence" is a few googled stories. How this proves anything is unclear to me.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ok. How about the vast majority of Guantanamo detainees? You know like 300 of them? What you are claiming is borderline retarded. That more terrorists were captured or killed in Iraq and Afganistan over the last 7 years than the last year is pretty much indisputable except to you. Your "evidence" is a few googled stories. How this proves anything is unclear to me.

I'm talking about "what has Bush done for us lately" - like in his last five years in office? What Al Quaeda has he taken down? Where? Bush was busy doing next to nothing in Iraq (blowing up civilians doesn't count) and finally made tentative inroads into Afghanistan. Great, Al Quaeda has long moved on into Yemen, Pakistan, Africa, etc.

If it's so indisputable, it should be easy for you to show. Rather than calling my claim borderline retarded.

Obama has gotten aggressive in specifically targeting AQ terrorists, in multiple countries, with very good success.

Ignoring it or saying different doesn't make it go away.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm talking about "what has Bush done for us lately" - like in his last five years in office? What Al Quaeda has he taken down? Where? Bush was busy doing next to nothing in Iraq (blowing up civilians doesn't count) and finally made tentative inroads into Afghanistan. Great, Al Quaeda has long moved on into Yemen, Pakistan, Africa, etc.

If it's so indisputable, it should be easy for you to show. Rather than calling my claim borderline retarded.

Obama has gotten aggressive in specifically targeting AQ terrorists, in multiple countries, with very good success.

Ignoring it or saying different doesn't make it go away.

Al-Qaeda moved into Yemen, Pakistan and Africa was the fault of Bush or happened in his last 5 years? If you think this is true then there is no use debating the subject with you as you obviously don't have even a cursory grasp of the situation.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Al-Qaeda moved into Yemen, Pakistan and Africa was the fault of Bush or happened in his last 5 years? If you think this is true then there is no use debating the subject with you as you obviously don't have even a cursory grasp of the situation.

You wasted an insult. No, it's not Bush's fault at all that Al Qaeda moved into Yemen, Pakistan and Africa. But Bush didn't pursue them aggressively there, Obama is.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You wasted an insult. No, it's not Bush's fault at all that Al Qaeda moved into Yemen, Pakistan and Africa. But Bush didn't pursue them aggressively there, Obama is.

Al-Queda has been in these places long before Bush took office. Perhaps you are thinking that we are making an impact in these regions. I don't have the faintest idea why.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Al-Queda has been in these places long before Bush took office. Perhaps you are thinking that we are making an impact in these regions. I don't have the faintest idea why.

I'd guess it's because of what I posted about the AQ the US has killed there in the past year.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm talking about "what has Bush done for us lately" -

Compared to the alternative his middle name is enough for me!!!

Ignoring it or saying different doesn't make it go away.

you really are clueless but in common with the chief?

this Pres relied solely on his intelligence and 7 days after it was common knowledge knows the undy pants bomber was Al Qaada?


PS so happy the idiot who had "a deep understanding of the mid east" as you say, "similar to Obama" finally apologized for being an anti-Semite

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

you really are clueless but in common with the chief?

this Pres relied solely on his intelligence and 7 days after it was common knowledge knows the undy pants bomber was Al Qaada?


PS so happy the idiot who had "a deep understanding of the mid east" as you say, "similar to Obama" finally apologized for being an anti-Semite

First, the middle line in what you quoted attributed to me wasn't written by me.

Secondly, we are talking about the AQ that were killed in August and September.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ok. How about the vast majority of Guantanamo detainees? You know like 300 of them? What you are claiming is borderline retarded. That more terrorists were captured or killed in Iraq and Afganistan over the last 7 years than the last year is pretty much indisputable except to you. Your "evidence" is a few googled stories. How this proves anything is unclear to me.

Oh, yeah ... what do you think about this? And the relationship of some of these men to the underwear bomber?

Why Did the Bush Administration Send Hardcore Terrorists Back to Al-Qaida?

One of the most troubling aspects of the recent explosion of activity by Al-Qaida in Yemen (otherwise known as "Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula") is the role being played by Saudi nationals who are former detainees in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

At least eleven former Saudi Gitmo prisoners who were sent back home by the Bush administration between 2003-2007 have promptly rejoined Al-Qaida in Yemen -- including individuals who made no secret of their intentions upon being released.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Oh, yeah ... what do you think about this? And the relationship of some of these men to the underwear bomber?

Give me a break. You are just trying to steer the topic off of your statement. No one said that Bush and co had a perfect record. Truthfull what they should have done was get all the info they could out of the detainees and sent them home.


In caskets.

Despite what you and the rest of the bleeding hearts think, we still have lots of bad guys trying to do harm to us. And they dont care if you are sympathetic towards them or a hawk. The idea that Obama has had any impact in quelling the tide of hatred against us in the Middle East is foolish. It is too bad that some innocent people get pulled into the fray. But me and a whole lot of Americans would rather it be their innocent people and not ours.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Despite what you and the rest of the bleeding hearts think, we still have lots of bad guys trying to do harm to us. And they dont care if you are sympathetic towards them or a hawk. The idea that Obama has had any impact in quelling the tide of hatred against us in the Middle East is foolish. It is too bad that some innocent people get pulled into the fray. But me and a whole lot of Americans would rather it be their innocent people and not ours.

Strange you mischaracterize me as a "bleeding heart" when I've never posted anything but positive and complete support for our killing terrorists and aggressively pursing them overseas.

Obama is going after AQ aggressively, in places Bush didn't go, and with some good success. He absolutely deserves credit for both not being a "bleeding heart" in the least, and credit for his directing US efforts to other places in pursuit of AQ, with that success.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Strange you mischaracterize me as a "bleeding heart" when I've never posted anything but positive and complete support for our killing terrorists and aggressively pursing them overseas.

Obama is going after AQ aggressively, in places Bush didn't go, and with some good success. He absolutely deserves credit for both not being a "bleeding heart" in the least, and credit for his directing US efforts to other places in pursuit of AQ, with that success.

I am just wondering why a President who has dwindling favorable ratings and is taking a hit on a area where he was perceived as weak wouldn't be talking about all these successes? The WH has bragged about successes that hardly were and yet you seem to be the only person who knows about all this success against terrorism. Especially in light of the recent security failure.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am just wondering why a President who has dwindling favorable ratings and is taking a hit on a area where he was perceived as weak wouldn't be talking about all these successes? The WH has bragged about successes that hardly were and yet you seem to be the only person who knows about all this success against terrorism. Especially in light of the recent security failure.

I wonder, too, why it's not highlighted. I think it's a huge mistake politically for the Dems not to talk that up. But I think it's obvious the August recess - health care debate - teabaggers anger was far better TV at the time.

Obama's popularity ratings went up 6-10 points (depending upon poll) when healthcare made it through the Senate, last I saw.

I guess I'm "the only person who knows" because I read newspapers and newsites other than Fox News? As you can see if you simply google those names, those incidents I posted (the AQ terrorists taken down) were all over multiple news sites, evening news, etc.

According to what I see - which is why I brought it up in the first place - the perception that Obama is weak in this area certainly doesn't match the reality so far in his administration.

As far as the recent security failure goes, as I've said, I would think there are plenty of inter- and intra- agency screwups to go around.