The Decades Most Under Appreciated Race

[randallscott35]

Gander's 2001 Med Cup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2syXc2Lnq3M

[cmorioles]

DrugS, how is that you made about 200 posts talking about the unreliable times at 6.5 furlongs at Saratoga, then you do a whole thread extolling the virtues of a 6.5 furlong race at Saratoga based mostly on time?

Not only that, when Freddy tries to point this out, you respond to EVERY OTHER REPLY in the thread, but conveniently ignore his.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

DrugS, how is that you made about 200 posts talking about the unreliable times at 6.5 furlongs at Saratoga, then you do a whole thread extolling the virtues of a 6.5 furlong race at Saratoga based mostly on time?

Not only that, when Freddy tries to point this out, you respond to EVERY OTHER REPLY in the thread, but conveniently ignore his.

it wasn't just about the time in that one race; his initial post points out other races at other tracks, as well as how the three horses in that race went on to win other grade ones, with you winning four. also has the beyer figures, and points out how they fare vs other top females. of course i'm not just trying to focus on one aspect of the post so i can pick on drugs either.

[jms62]

2007 Tampa Bay Derby Street Sense vs Any Given Saturday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWm_o9o6TbU

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

DrugS, how is that you made about 200 posts talking about the unreliable times at 6.5 furlongs at Saratoga, then you do a whole thread extolling the virtues of a 6.5 furlong race at Saratoga based mostly on time?

Not only that, when Freddy tries to point this out, you respond to EVERY OTHER REPLY in the thread, but conveniently ignore his.

Because Freddy's post was very dumb. The final time was obviously correct because it's consistant with how every other 6.5f race at Saratoga is timed.

As I've said hundreds of times before - and even guys like Steve Crist, Beyer's people, and NYRA's own clockers completely didn't/don't seem to realize or have the slightest clue of - is that the 6.5 furlong fractional clockings at Saratoga come back a certain set amount faster compared to other sprint distances.

If you watch the race - you'll see both ran insanely huge races. The clocking for that race was consistant with how every other 6.5f race at that track has been timed for as far back as I remember...with only one exception ... the '09 Amsterdam when everyone got to showcase their misunderstandings of that specific track and distance.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Because Freddy's post was very dumb. The final time was obviously correct because it's consistant with how every other 6.5f race at Saratoga is timed.

As I've said hundreds of times before - and even guys like Steve Crist, Beyer's people, and NYRA's own clockers completely didn't/don't seem to realize or have the slightest clue of - is that the 6.5 furlong fractional clockings at Saratoga come back a certain set amount faster compared to other sprint distances.

If you watch the race - you'll see both ran insanely huge races. The clocking for that race was consistant with how every other 6.5f race at that track has been timed for as far back as I remember.

The only thing consisent about 6.5f's races at SPA is the time is always suspect. Stop being a Fraud.. BTW You's sib goes for Shoes Wolfson 12/26..Expect a BIG one

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The only thing consisent about 6.5f's races at SPA is the time is always suspect. Stop being a Fraud.. BTW You's sib goes for Shoes Wolfson 12/26..Expect a BIG one

Freddy you really do have no idea what you're talking about.

You'd tell a plumber how to plumb - Tiger Woods and his Caddie how to hit a golf shot - and a ballet dancer how to dance.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Freddy you really do have no idea what you're talking about.

You'd tell a plumber how to plumb - Tiger Woods and his Caddie how to hit a golf shot - and a ballet dancer how to dance.

Speaking of plumbers your theory is leaking.. Just because many don't post here they still read your drivel awaiting the ocassional nugget of brillance you are capable of. While others stand and aplaud "the fraud" those who really know...well smell a rat..Rats need to be controled

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Speaking of plumbers your theory is leaking.. Just because many don't post here they still read your drivel awaiting the ocassional nugget of brillance you are capable of. While others stand and aplaud "the fraud" those who really know...well smell a rat..Rats need to be controled

Tell the people you're talking about that they're creepy scumbags and they need to update their spreadsheet.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The only thing consisent about 6.5f's races at SPA is the time is always suspect.

Can I buy you a stop-watch for Christmas?

Again - the times are consistant.

The only difference between 6.5f races at SAR - and races at other sprint distances is that the opening fractions always come back a set amount faster.. and it has a subsquent effect on the other fractions.

For simplicity sake - an opening quarter of 22.00 at 6fs equals 21.70 at 6.5fs - equals 22.40 at 7fs.

As for the Beyer in the '01 Adirondack ... it's as correct as any other fig they've ever done at that distance.

The proof is that the top two who freaked both easily won Grade 1's next out in strong time.

3rd place finisher Magic Storm got a 70...



And the other four horses who ran out of the money all bounced back and ran much faster.

Smok'n Frolic was 5th of 7 beaten 21+ lengths with a 56 Beyer. She came back to run 2nd in the Spinaway with an 86. Won the Grade 3 Tempted by 6+ lengths with an 89 and than ended her 2yo season by winning the Grade 2 Demoiselle by 4+ lengths with a 94 Beyer.

Smokn' Frolic also won a stake race going 5f at Belmont as a 2yo before she got dusted in the Adiorondack.

The real story about the '09 Amsterdam Stakes was how clueless everyone became when a timing malfuction actually did occur at Saratoga.

Instead of timing the race consistant with how every other 6.5f race at Saratoga is timed ... they opted to let NYRA's private clockers do it.

The result of that was that the '09 Amsterdam had the outright slowest opening quarter mile fraction of ALL the 6.5f races run at Saratoga this meet. I believe they came back with 22.45 for the first quarter. Even the bad fields of NY Bred MCL fillies - who went the distance on days when the track was slower - couldn't run that slow to the first quarter.

Like I said .. the 22.45 1st quarter they came back with would be equal to a 22.75 first quarter at 6f or a 23.15 first quarter at 7fs ... not entirely laughable .. but VERY laughable considering how fast the race track was that day - and how much quality speed was in the Amsterdam - and how that quality speed performed .. etc.

Steve Crist - who's normally fantastic at finding and pointing out mistakes - even reported it as though the NYRA's private clockers times cleared things up and could be trusted. What he didn't seem to realize is that their timing, right or wrong, was inconsistant with how EVERY other 6.5f race at Saratoga is timed.

It's not sinking in .... is it?

[Sightseek]

Mr. DrugS,

I think your next project for our reading pleasure should be Top Losing Efforts of the Decade.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Mr. DrugS,

I think your next project for our reading pleasure should be Top Losing Efforts of the Decade.

Every horse I've bet on this decade in the Ky Derby?

Oh wait, I suppose they had to have run well to earn this distinction.

NT

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Mr. DrugS,

I think your next project for our reading pleasure should be Top Losing Efforts of the Decade.

There's a lot of different ways to rank them... the best way would probably be by race.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Because Freddy's post was very dumb. The final time was obviously correct because it's consistant with how every other 6.5f race at Saratoga is timed.

As I've said hundreds of times before - and even guys like Steve Crist, Beyer's people, and NYRA's own clockers completely didn't/don't seem to realize or have the slightest clue of - is that the 6.5 furlong fractional clockings at Saratoga come back a certain set amount faster compared to other sprint distances.

If you watch the race - you'll see both ran insanely huge races. The clocking for that race was consistant with how every other 6.5f race at that track has been timed for as far back as I remember...with only one exception ... the '09 Amsterdam when everyone got to showcase their misunderstandings of that specific track and distance.

Freddy's post was brilliant. As is he. How dare you insult one of Penn National's top owners in winning %.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Freddy's post was brilliant. As is he. How dare you insult one of Penn National's top owners in winning %.

Tell NoFool to send me an olive branch.