Mandatory Healthcare?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

accusing the govt of being less than efficient isn't unpatriotic. altho ours isn't the best, it's still better than anything else.

Yes, but saying it's a 100% failure is beyond ridiculous, and our country fairly deserves far better than that assessment.

There are plenty of successionists around, and maybe they should.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, but saying it's a 100% failure is beyond ridiculous, and our country fairly deserves far better than that assessment.

There are plenty of successionists around, and maybe they should.

what's a successionist?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what's a successionist?

An "ionist" who is successful? How about secessionist. Better?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

An "ionist" who is successful? How about secessionist. Better?

lol that works.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, but saying it's a 100% failure is beyond ridiculous, and our country fairly deserves far better than that assessment.

There are plenty of successionists around, and maybe they should.

Your ability to twist is really not a strongpoint. The guy simply pointed out the economic failures of a number of huge govt programs. He is absolutely 100% correct. If you have some hidden information on those programs not being ecomnomic losers I am sure we would all love to see it.

[witchdoctor]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Your ability to twist is really not a strongpoint. The guy simply pointed out the economic failures of a number of huge govt programs. He is absolutely 100% correct. If you have some hidden information on those programs not being ecomnomic losers I am sure we would all love to see it.

Hey

I did leave out Amtrak. I just thought that was piling on.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Your ability to twist is really not a strongpoint. The guy simply pointed out the economic failures of a number of huge govt programs. He is absolutely 100% correct. If you have some hidden information on those programs not being ecomnomic losers I am sure we would all love to see it.

based on these clear government failures, i'm looking forward to a 2010 republican campaign centered on getting rid of the post office, social security, medicare and medicaid.

might i suggest you folks throw in tearing up the national highway system and have it replaced by a privately run national tollway system. market forces really ought to be able to do a better job than the travesty we're now saddled with. market forces are the solution to all problems after all.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

might i suggest you folks throw in tearing up the national highway system and have it replaced by a privately run national tollway system. market forces really ought to be able to do a better job than the travesty we're now saddled with. market forces are the solution to all problems after all.

you do know Obama's 'adopted' land is Chicago where the highways, parking meters and maybe water dept have been 'privately leased' for 99 yrs to foreign entities........

and them the Dem Machine!

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

based on these clear government failures, i'm looking forward to a 2010 republican campaign centered on getting rid of the post office, social security, medicare and medicaid.

might i suggest you folks throw in tearing up the national highway system and have it replaced by a privately run national tollway system. market forces really ought to be able to do a better job than the travesty we're now saddled with. market forces are the solution to all problems after all.

the reality is that yes, all those systems would be handled better by the private sector. no doubt, all of them.

where would you draw the line? can you not see that the line keeps moving and that one by one our freedoms are disappearing and they're creating a system that traps people in a dependent status, forever relying on the government? all in the name of fairness and equality. i've seen this plan before, it's been tried, and it doesn't work. It doesn't end well.

so your idea is let's go for the full monty, lets do it all. we'll get our jobs, cars, health care, food, housing and all other rations directly from uncle sam?

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

the reality is that yes, all those systems would be handled better by the private sector. no doubt, all of them.

where would you draw the line? can you not see that the line keeps moving and that one by one our freedoms are disappearing and they're creating a system that traps people in a dependent status, forever relying on the government? all in the name of fairness and equality. i've seen this plan before, it's been tried, and it doesn't work. It doesn't end well.

so your idea is let's go for the full monty, lets do it all. we'll get our jobs, cars, health care, food, housing and all other rations directly from uncle sam?

actually, no. my idea is that we've lived in a mixed economy all our lives. it's one where the market has successfully co-existed with government programs. and there's legitimate arguments about what is best handled by each.

that isn't a radical idea. what's actually radical is the rhetoric being piped down from the extreme right and repeated here that there is no legitimate role for government in the economy. anytime. anywhere. that cutting government is always good and if we just unleash market forces all problems will be solved.

that seems to fly in the face of the experience we just went through where regulation of banking was loosened to the point that the invisible hand of the market just about steered us into a depression. and were it not for unprecedented government intervention in the economy, would have.

the problem is the right can't seem to learn. the rhetoric is always the same regardless of the circumstance.

[gales0678]

any ny state resident should be ashamed of our senators , where was the girl from saratoga county ,she could have gotten NY some free handouts , ny is going to take worse on the chin than any other state

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by gales0678

any ny state resident should be ashamed of our senators , where was the girl from saratoga county ,she could have gotten NY some free handouts , ny is going to take worse on the chin than any other state

Lyndsey Graham wants you to know that his state has a 31% African American Population.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

what's actually radical is the rhetoric being piped down from the extreme right and repeated here that there is no legitimate role for government in the economy. anytime. anywhere. that cutting government is always good and if we just unleash market forces all problems will be solved.

that seems to fly in the face of the experience we just went through where regulation of banking was loosened to the point that the invisible hand of the market just about steered us into a depression. and were it not for unprecedented government intervention in the economy, would have.

the problem is the right can't seem to learn. the rhetoric is always the same regardless of the circumstance.

Your generalization is far offbase.

The idea that of lax banking regulation almost forcing us into a depression or govt intervention somehow prevented that from happening is complete fiction. Roughly a month a ago the Fed Reserve admitted that the basic premise that the original TARP was passed upon was for the most part not true.

I guess you missed the that.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Your generalization is far offbase.

The idea that of lax banking regulation almost forcing us into a depression or govt intervention somehow prevented that from happening is complete fiction. Roughly a month a ago the Fed Reserve admitted that the basic premise that the original TARP was passed upon was for the most part not true.

I guess you missed the that.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB3000...049537744.html

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

based on these clear government failures, i'm looking forward to a 2010 republican campaign centered on getting rid of the post office, social security, medicare and medicaid.

might i suggest you folks throw in tearing up the national highway system and have it replaced by a privately run national tollway system. market forces really ought to be able to do a better job than the travesty we're now saddled with. market forces are the solution to all problems after all.

The necessity of the programs arent the topic, the financial failures of these govt run businesses is, especially when we are being told Obamacare will be a rousing financial success. There seemingly is no precedent for this.