Mandatory Healthcare?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

According to the CBO the Senate plan will markedly cut thegeneral budget deficit by trillions over 10-20 years. It depends upon the final funding for the bill, whether the Senate or House version.

This is the single biggest deception of this whole healthcare debacle. The numbers are so juiced that it is hard to believe that anyone with a straight face could even suggest that this is possible.

[witchdoctor]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is the single biggest deception of this whole healthcare debacle. The numbers are so juiced that it is hard to believe that anyone with a straight face could even suggest that this is possible.

Cannon
They are politicians. Thet will pi$$ in your ear and then tell you its raining.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by witchdoctor

Cannon
They are politicians. Thet will pi$$ in your ear and then tell you its raining.

As long as the voters remember...

[Riot]

This is the single biggest deception of this whole healthcare debacle. The numbers are so juiced that it is hard to believe that anyone with a straight face could even suggest that this is possible.

I love it - just ignore anything you don't like hearing, and just dismiss it out of hand. You guys are hilarious What a miserable next 7 years you are going to have.

But a good plan would be to make sure we elect Libertarians or TeaBaggers at the next election cycle, and start working on getting rid of the following Federal Government intrusions on our lives, and in our pocketbooks.

Let's keep the military (defense and veterans affairs) and interstate highways.

Medicare: This has to go immediately. We can attrition Medicare out over the next 20 years. Everyone can stop paying into it immediately (immediate tax cut). We'll just use what's left already in the system to take care of current recipients until they die. Then when the people on this board hit 65, there will be nothing there for you except what you have saved yourself.

We also can probably get rid of:

Our national park system and Department of the Interior - sell off the land (thousands of acres owned by BLM, too), reduce the deficit.

NASA - kinda just a fun thing to do, no real return to us, very expensive.

CDC - hospitals, doctors can take care of this, no need for coordinating agencies. No federal funding for health care, stem cell research, etc.

Civil rights - states can work this out at the state level.

Probably also get rid of:
Departments of Justice, Agriculture, Education, Transportion, Nuclear Regulation, State, Labor, Energy, Army Corp of Engineers, Consumer Product Safety, Federal Communications Commission, Equal Opportunity Employment, Housing and Urban Development, Treasury (this might be a really good idea).

That will save us tons of money, and eliminate most federal interference in our lives. We will be back to "on our own", as the original Patriots envisioned this country!

[ArlJim78]

quite simply its a giant step backwards for the nation. most people are beginning to realize that, which is why it is now so unpopular. every single person who is working to cram this disaster through based on an artificially imposed political timetable should expect to receive a pink slip next november.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

quite simply its a giant step backwards for the nation. most people are beginning to realize that, which is why it is now so unpopular. every single person who is working to cram this disaster through based on an artificially imposed political timetable should expect to receive a pink slip next november.

Health reform was enormously popular when Obama was elected, and this week it rose up again another 6 points to a majority back to favoring it. People tend to fluxuate with winners, however.

The timetable on healthcare reform has taken 40 years. It's about time for a start on healthcare reform in this country. This is a tremendous advancement for our country, starting to place us up with the rest of the first world countries on health care - finally.

Every American - person - arrested in this country is entitled to a lawyer, which we - the public - pays for if the arrested can not. I think Americans being entitled to a doctor is more important.

People have pointed out how civil rights legislation, medicare - all the major social reforms have started, then been tweeked over time. This is the same.
But this is the start. We won't leave 15% of our population to flounder any more.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Health reform was enormously popular when Obama was elected, and this week it rose up again another 6 points to a majority back to favoring it. People tend to fluxuate with winners, however.

The timetable on healthcare reform has taken 40 years. It's about time for a start on healthcare reform in this country. This is a tremendous advancement for our country, starting to place us up with the rest of the first world countries on health care - finally.

Every American - person - arrested in this country is entitled to a lawyer, which we - the public - pays for if the arrested can not. I think Americans being entitled to a doctor is more important.

People have pointed out how civil rights legislation, medicare - all the major social reforms have started, then been tweeked over time. This is the same.
But this is the start. We won't leave 15% of our population to flounder any more.

Well you finally said something correct. The other 85% can begin to flounder right alongside those 15%. Your problem is your determination to make this bill or others floated out (you have been behind everyone proposed despite huge differences in the proposals) to be the best possible healthcare reform when it clearly is terribly flawed. The healthcare issue was made the big priority simply because Obama, Pelosi and Reid wanted to be the three new faces on the liberal Mt Rushmore. Perhaps if you found one issue within the bill that you took issue with we wouldnt consider you simply a shill for Obama. But that is not likely.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Riot

I love it - just ignore anything you don't like hearing, and just dismiss it out of hand. You guys are hilarious What a miserable next 7 years you are going to have.

But a good plan would be to make sure we elect Libertarians or TeaBaggers at the next election cycle, and start working on getting rid of the following Federal Government intrusions on our lives, and in our pocketbooks.

Let's keep the military (defense and veterans affairs) and interstate highways.

Medicare: This has to go immediately. We can attrition Medicare out over the next 20 years. Everyone can stop paying into it immediately (immediate tax cut). We'll just use what's left already in the system to take care of current recipients until they die. Then when the people on this board hit 65, there will be nothing there for you except what you have saved yourself.

We also can probably get rid of:

Our national park system and Department of the Interior - sell off the land (thousands of acres owned by BLM, too), reduce the deficit.

NASA - kinda just a fun thing to do, no real return to us, very expensive.

CDC - hospitals, doctors can take care of this, no need for coordinating agencies. No federal funding for health care, stem cell research, etc.

Civil rights - states can work this out at the state level.

Probably also get rid of:
Departments of Justice, Agriculture, Education, Transportion, Nuclear Regulation, State, Labor, Energy, Army Corp of Engineers, Consumer Product Safety, Federal Communications Commission, Equal Opportunity Employment, Housing and Urban Development, Treasury (this might be a really good idea).

That will save us tons of money, and eliminate most federal interference in our lives. We will be back to "on our own", as the original Patriots envisioned this country!

how many more years can this country last with yearly deficits of $1.5 trillion?
what is your solution to that? more big programs, higher taxes?
unless we start cutting spending this whole country is going to look just like Detroit does now. Detroit is what happens when brainless liberals and unions mind the store for 50 years. the patient dies.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

how many more years can this country last with yearly deficits of $1.5 trillion?.

Too bad the past 8 years put us at 1.2 trillion on election day 2008. Bush had a bad habit of passing things, without funding them.

The Senate health reform plan is projected by the CBO (which is independent) to cut the deficit markedly, by trillions over 10-20 years. But we'll have to see what gets into the final plan.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I love it - just ignore anything you don't like hearing, and just dismiss it out of hand. You guys are hilarious What a miserable next 7 years you are going to have.

But a good plan would be to make sure we elect Libertarians or TeaBaggers at the next election cycle, and start working on getting rid of the following Federal Government intrusions on our lives, and in our pocketbooks.

Let's keep the military (defense and veterans affairs) and interstate highways.

Medicare: This has to go immediately. We can attrition Medicare out over the next 20 years. Everyone can stop paying into it immediately (immediate tax cut). We'll just use what's left already in the system to take care of current recipients until they die. Then when the people on this board hit 65, there will be nothing there for you except what you have saved yourself.

We also can probably get rid of:

Our national park system and Department of the Interior - sell off the land (thousands of acres owned by BLM, too), reduce the deficit.

NASA - kinda just a fun thing to do, no real return to us, very expensive.

CDC - hospitals, doctors can take care of this, no need for coordinating agencies. No federal funding for health care, stem cell research, etc.

Civil rights - states can work this out at the state level.

Probably also get rid of:
Departments of Justice, Agriculture, Education, Transportion, Nuclear Regulation, State, Labor, Energy, Army Corp of Engineers, Consumer Product Safety, Federal Communications Commission, Equal Opportunity Employment, Housing and Urban Development, Treasury (this might be a really good idea).

That will save us tons of money, and eliminate most federal interference in our lives. We will be back to "on our own", as the original Patriots envisioned this country!

The numbers are still juiced and the whole economic premise is built on pie in the sky projections regardless of how you try to spin it. It is like saying that if every KC Royal hits .390 with 30 HR's next year and every pitcher throws 30 CG shoutouts, they will win the WS. Yeah sure...

And the scary thing is there is probably a better chance of KC winning the WS than Obamacare reducing the deficit