SYMPOSIUM: Challenge for public to understand medication

[Honu]

Originally Posted by rpncaine

Why can't the trainer be suspended and fined?
I really liked the comment the other day about making the fine the same amount as the purse. Make the trainer and the owner split the fine and also make the specific HORSE sit out for 2 or 3 months. Howmany of those so you think it would take for other owners to yank their horses from the cheating trainers?

What would they do with a horse that is banned for 2 or 3 months? Think an owner running for lower level purses is just going to feed the horse for 2 or 3 months without anyway to re-coup the money?
I can agree with most of your idea , but not banning the horse , people who race horses at places like Turf Paradise need to be able to run and hope the horse makes some money to pay the bills.

[rpncaine]

That's the point. It has to hurt, wrist slaps aren't doing it! I want a "blotter" too. There should be a list from every track that shows current suspensions, fines, etc. and any Horse,Trainer, Owner that has a horse on the card that's had a blot in the last 2 months.
Damnit I'm putting my money up to bet them, I want the info.
If an Allowance or Stakes level horse is put on the shelf for 2 months, that will make the owner very leary of using the trainer again.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by rpncaine

That's the point. It has to hurt, wrist slaps aren't doing it! I want a "blotter" too. There should be a list from every track that shows current suspensions, fines, etc. and any Horse,Trainer, Owner that has a horse on the card that's had a blot in the last 2 months.
Damnit I'm putting my money up to bet them, I want the info.
If an Allowance or Stakes level horse is put on the shelf for 2 months, that will make the owner very leary of using the trainer again.

I understand your wish to hand out "capital" punishment , but as is with the rest of life you cant always get what you want. Im saying and I dont think you are getting it , is that cheap horses that run for cheap purses pay their own way by running and that is how most of the owners stay in the game. Fine the trainer and owner, suspend the trainer but to ban the horse could mean in some extreme cases that you would pretty much be ending that horses life.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by rpncaine

That's the point. It has to hurt, wrist slaps aren't doing it! I want a "blotter" too. There should be a list from every track that shows current suspensions, fines, etc. and any Horse,Trainer, Owner that has a horse on the card that's had a blot in the last 2 months.
Damnit I'm putting my money up to bet them, I want the info.
If an Allowance or Stakes level horse is put on the shelf for 2 months, that will make the owner very leary of using the trainer again.

Actually..I think a $5K claimer on the shelf will hurt as much or more. I can't argue with your passion for cleaning this situation up, but if you are casually talking about taking a $4,000 a month horse and banning him for 2 months, plus fining the connections purse amounts, every rule better be airtight and consistent by track and state. It's hard enough to break even as it is.

[rpncaine]

Agreed. But if they are found quilty, after all the hemming and hawing and appeals, second tests, etc. then it has to have effect.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by rpncaine

Agreed. But if they are found quilty, after all the hemming and hawing and appeals, second tests, etc. then it has to have effect.

Agreed

[Indian Charlie]

quilty?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

quilty?

I'm an excellent quilter.

therefore, I am quilty

[Riot]

Originally Posted by rpncaine

That's the point. It has to hurt, wrist slaps aren't doing it! I want a "blotter" too. There should be a list from every track that shows current suspensions, fines, etc. and any Horse,Trainer, Owner that has a horse on the card that's had a blot in the last 2 months.
Damnit I'm putting my money up to bet them, I want the info. .

That's been available for a few years, and posted here previously.

Here's California's: http://www.chrb.ca.gov/

Here's New York's: http://rulings.racing.state.ny.us/frm_Rulings.aspx

Here's Kentucky, but stuff is slow to get out: http://www.khrc.ky.gov/

[rpncaine]

Thanks.