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Old 12-01-2009, 09:19 AM
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Isn't it a trainers job to point to a race where they have a shot to win when their horse is in form? Money grab? Sorry, but this is confusing.
Not dismissing the concept of seizing the moment and running as opportunity knocks... My point is that it's a second tier event, on a strange surface (the "Sabine Sand"), at a minor track, for disproportionate money... and good horses with 'real' futures seem better off passing on participation there.
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Old 12-01-2009, 09:22 AM
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They need a bull ring triple crown.
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Old 12-01-2009, 09:31 AM
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They need a bull ring triple crown.
Or maybe they'll add a 4 furlong race to the BC. It's probably about time...the format hasn't changed since November.
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Old 12-01-2009, 09:47 AM
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didn't Closing Argument finish 2nd to Texcess in the Jackpot before it was graded
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Old 12-04-2009, 04:56 PM
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Or maybe they'll add a 4 furlong race to the BC. It's probably about time...the format hasn't changed since November.
I laughed!

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Old 12-01-2009, 05:46 PM
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Not dismissing the concept of seizing the moment and running as opportunity knocks... My point is that it's a second tier event, on a strange surface (the "Sabine Sand"), at a minor track, for disproportionate money... and good horses with 'real' futures seem better off passing on participation there.
Sorry Steve, but calling this a second tier event is one of your worst quotes.
I can't even comprehend this statement.

What about the fact earnings for the Derby?? I don't think Mott, or Casse would agree with you.

The 2007 contest has to be the best race of the year. Have you really looked at the history of this race, other than the Zayat bash.?

I don't think Bill Mott would send out a money grabber, but would look at 1/1/4 in May as a step stone here.

The Hopeful Stakes is a bigger Fake of 2 year olds. Most are never heard from again.

You can't be serious

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Old 12-01-2009, 05:50 PM
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The Test is for three-year-old fillies.
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Old 12-01-2009, 05:59 PM
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The Test is for three-year-old fillies.
sorry the Hopeful
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Old 12-01-2009, 06:02 PM
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sorry the Hopeful
Pretty embarrassing group the last 20 years...

2009 Dublin
2008 Vineyard Haven
2007 Majestic Warrior
2006 Circular Quay
2005 First Samurai
2004 Afleet Alex
2003 Silver Wagon
2002 Sky Mesa
2001 Came Home
2000 Yonaguska & Ciity Zip (DH)
1999 High Yield
1998 Lucky Roberto
1997 Favorite Trick
1996 Smoke Glacken
1995 Hennessy
1994 Wild Escapade
1993 Dehere
1992 Great Navigator
1991 Salt Lake
1990 Deposit Ticket
1989 Summer Squall
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Old 12-01-2009, 06:05 PM
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Pretty embarrassing group the last 20 years...

2009 Dublin
2008 Vineyard Haven
2007 Majestic Warrior
2006 Circular Quay
2005 First Samurai
2004 Afleet Alex
2003 Silver Wagon
2002 Sky Mesa
2001 Came Home
2000 Yonaguska & Ciity Zip (DH)
1999 High Yield
1998 Lucky Roberto
1997 Favorite Trick
1996 Smoke Glacken
1995 Hennessy
1994 Wild Escapade
1993 Dehere
1992 Great Navigator
1991 Salt Lake
1990 Deposit Ticket
1989 Summer Squall
I agree here. But Delta I don't
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Old 12-01-2009, 06:05 PM
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The Delta Jackpot.

As it happens I was a real fan of Outta Here, Texcess and Z Humor, so don't get me wrong... But the Jackpot is a gimmick race on a gimmick racetrack.

2008 Big Drama
2007 Z Humor & Turf War (DH)
2006 Birdbirdistheword
2005 no race
2004 Texcess
2003 Mr Jester
2002 Outta Here
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Old 12-01-2009, 06:09 PM
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Sorry Steve, but calling this a second tier event is one of your worst quotes.
I can't even comprehend this statement.

What about the fact earnings for the Derby?? I don't think Mott, or Casse would agree with you.

The 2007 contest has to be the best race of the year. Have you really looked at the history of this race, other than the Zayat bash.?

I don't think Bill Mott would send out a money grabber, but would look at 1/1/4 in May as a step stone here.

The Hopeful Stakes is a bigger Fake of 2 year olds. Most are never heard from again.

You can't be serious
What? The only reason Bill Mott ran Z Humor in that race was because Sohby Sonbol was calling the shots for Ahmed Zayat at the time. You think Mott made the call to run Z Humor later that winter twice in 8 days too?
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Old 12-01-2009, 06:15 PM
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What? The only reason Bill Mott ran Z Humor in that race was because Sohby Sonbol was calling the shots for Ahmed Zayat at the time. You think Mott made the call to run Z Humor later that winter twice in 8 days too?
Yes, Bill agreed, and he was right wasn't he. **** happens after the race, but getting to the big race is important too!
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Old 12-01-2009, 06:19 PM
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Yes, Bill agreed, and he was right wasn't he. **** happens after the race, but getting to the big race is important too!
OK.. You win. Bill 'agreed'. The horse was handled exactly as it would have been had he been making the decisions.
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Old 12-01-2009, 06:27 PM
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OK.. You win. Bill 'agreed'. The horse was handled exactly as it would have been had he been making the decisions.
Wow, I can't believe you would not see the race as it was run and the outcome. Stakes earnings doesn't matter anymore. I guess DT would have passed if given the opportunity for a Mil
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Old 12-04-2009, 05:34 PM
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Just noticed that Rule's dam is a half to Funny Cide. I hope Rule wins
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Old 12-04-2009, 06:56 PM
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Sloppy track! I LOVE IT!

9th race, Delta Jackpot

I'll box Rule with My Time To Star
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F'ing Snow

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What? The only reason Bill Mott ran Z Humor in that race was because Sohby Sonbol was calling the shots for Ahmed Zayat at the time. You think Mott made the call to run Z Humor later that winter twice in 8 days too?
Did that Sonbol kid have any racing experience prior to becoming Zayat's racing manager/representative?
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Did that Sonbol kid have any racing experience prior to becoming Zayat's racing manager/representative?
What?? Watch the race
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