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Old 12-01-2009, 08:30 AM
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Believe it or not, that was actually not a bad field. The horses that ran 1-2 in there can run. That horse Sourdough Sam is not a bad horse. In his debut, he had a ton of trouble and still won by 7 lengths. He's got a really nice turn of foot. He had a pretty bad trip in the stakes race. The horse that won the race has really improved and has turned into a decent horse. I think he could compete in Southern California. Tiny Woods' race up there was actually not as bad as it looked.
Both of the top two finishers in that race had troubled trips. The winner was lucky to stay up and Sourdough Sam had a terrible, terrible ride. Sam's come home time in his prior race was outstanding.
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Old 12-01-2009, 08:51 AM
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Lookin at Lucky might be a decent horse but beyond that nothing of note has shown much in the 2yo colt division in socal.
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Old 12-01-2009, 11:04 AM
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Lookin at Lucky might be a decent horse but beyond that nothing of note has shown much in the 2yo colt division in socal.
No love for Conveyance?
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Old 12-01-2009, 11:57 AM
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No love for Conveyance?
He is going to the Futurity... I think the group he beat last time was horrible, but he might be ok. I doubt he can beat Looking At Lucky.
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:09 PM
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He is going to the Futurity... I think the group he beat last time was horrible, but he might be ok. I doubt he can beat Looking At Lucky.
He beat a nwot alw, right?

I wouldn't expect a 2yo allowance race to ever be good.

What's impressive is the way he runs.

Where did you read he is going to the Futurity? Did you also read that Lookin at Lucky is also going there too? This would be surprising to me, as Baffert trains both of them and they both look like serious race horses. I really don't think Baffert would risk losing with Lucky in this spot.
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:11 PM
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He beat a nwot alw, right?

I wouldn't expect a 2yo allowance race to ever be good.

What's impressive is the way he runs.

Where did you read he is going to the Futurity? Did you also read that Lookin at Lucky is also going there too? This would be surprising to me, as Baffert trains both of them and they both look like serious race horses. I really don't think Baffert would risk losing with Lucky in this spot.

http://www.drf.com/news/article/109256.html
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:11 PM
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He beat a nwot alw, right?

I wouldn't expect a 2yo allowance race to ever be good.

What's impressive is the way he runs.

Where did you read he is going to the Futurity? Did you also read that Lookin at Lucky is also going there too? This would be surprising to me, as Baffert trains both of them and they both look like serious race horses. I really don't think Baffert would risk losing with Lucky in this spot.
Baffert has four CashCall candidates

The CashCall could have as many as four runners trained by Bob Baffert.

Baffert said Sunday that his candidates are the Breeders' Cup Juvenile runner-up Lookin at Lucky; Marcello, who was second in the Generous Stakes; Conveyance, the winner of an allowance race last Thursday; and Macias, who was fourth in the Grade 3 Hollywood Prevue Stakes on Nov. 19.

Lookin at Lucky will be favored in the CashCall Futurity, but Conveyance will attract attention after winning a six-furlong allowance race by seven lengths in 1:09. Conveyance earned a Beyer Speed Figure of 99.

"I think he's pretty fast," Baffert said. "He ran like he's worked."

http://www.drf.com/news/article/109256.html

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Old 12-01-2009, 12:52 PM
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No love for Conveyance?
talent yes but I have serious doubts about him going long, so yes you are right.
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Old 12-01-2009, 02:26 PM
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talent yes but I have serious doubts about him going long, so yes you are right.
What gives you those doubts?

He's relaxed and finishes strong, is a big strong long striding mofo and both his sire and broodmare sire could run long.

I'm more concerned about his durability. As per the norm for the great sire of this horse, the first two dams I believe were unraced.
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Old 12-01-2009, 09:02 AM
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I LOVE Winslow Homer (the horse, not the painter). By Unbridled's Song out of a Summer Squall mare. November 20 race at Philly Park was just AWESOME. He went a mile with the utmost ease, and the added distance will only help. Larry Jones may have retired 1 year too early.
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Old 12-01-2009, 11:54 AM
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I LOVE Winslow Homer (the horse, not the painter). By Unbridled's Song out of a Summer Squall mare. November 20 race at Philly Park was just AWESOME. He went a mile with the utmost ease, and the added distance will only help. Larry Jones may have retired 1 year too early.
I could be wrong, but I dont think Jones has anything to do with this horse. I think its Tony Dutrow.
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:03 PM
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I could be wrong, but I dont think Jones has anything to do with this horse. I think its Tony Dutrow.

right. but had jones not retired, he'd have the horse. WH is owned by rick porter.
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:07 PM
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right. but had jones not retired, he'd have the horse. WH is owned by rick porter.
Is this the horse who won the off the turf race at Toga, he beat the Maker Ghostzapper who then came back to win on the turf, who has now turned into a pig.
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:08 PM
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Is this the horse who won the off the turf race at Toga, he beat the Maker Ghostzapper who then came back to win on the turf, who has now turned into a pig.
Yes, he had a huge win at Philly a few weeks ago.
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Old 12-01-2009, 12:10 PM
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He rolled by over 12 lengths on an off track at Philly and got a 92 Beyer. He might be a decent horse. I'm interested to see where he surfaces, Fla, NY, or wherever else.

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Old 12-01-2009, 12:10 PM
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Yes, he had a huge win at Philly a few weeks ago.
Can you/anyone post the PDF chart of the win? I liked this horse a lot that day at Toga.
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Old 12-01-2009, 01:54 PM
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Both of the top two finishers in that race had troubled trips. The winner was lucky to stay up and Sourdough Sam had a terrible, terrible ride. Sam's come home time in his prior race was outstanding.
Yes, the winner actually clipped heals at the 3/8 pole. That was pretty amazing that he still won. I hope he comes out of the race in one piece.
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