Oak Tree renames the Lady's Secret the Zenyatta

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by CSC

The point is now...

No, the point is cherry-picking races that suit your argument and ignoring races that don't. That's what every one of your arguments entails. So keep waiting until next year.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

No, the point is cherry-picking races that suit your argument and ignoring races that don't. That's what every one of your arguments entails. So keep waiting until next year.

I'm not sure I am doing anything different than what others are doing, I think I asked which race is looking better now, the Woodward or the Travers? It's a good question when you bring into context of what we are discussing. I'm not sure if we were talking about another horse this be such a big deal. I think it's a worthwhile topic but to mention it you are somehow being dishonest, disingenous, and other not too flattering adjectives I have been called lately.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by CSC

I think it's a worthwhile topic but to mention it you are somehow being dishonest, disingenous, and other not too flattering adjectives I have been called lately.

To just mention it is not to be dishonest or disingenuous, which is why you'll see plenty of people making those arguments and not getting taken to the woodshed for them...because even if they're making a bad argument, they're doing it in good faith.

To have made about 74 different, terrible, dishonest and disingenuous arguments like you have....is to be dishonest and disingenuous. And lots of what you've been typing for several months isn't even good faith debate, because you change the goalposts, change what matters, and change the criteria whenever it suits you, then get all defensive and sullen when people call you on it and then you act like you're getting the short end of it from all these mean people who just love picking on you.

Dishonest and disingenuous. People just calling it as it happens.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

To just mention it is not to be dishonest or disingenuous, which is why you'll see plenty of people making those arguments and not getting taken to the woodshed for them...because even if they're making a bad argument, they're doing it in good faith.

To have made about 74 different, terrible, dishonest and disingenuous arguments like you have....is to be dishonest and disingenuous. And lots of what you've been typing for several months isn't even good faith debate, because you change the goalposts, change what matters, and change the criteria whenever it suits you, then get all defensive and sullen when people call you on it and then you act like you're getting the short end of it from all these mean people who just love picking on you.

Dishonest and disingenuous. Ever heard of that whole calling a spade a spade thing?

Haven't heard that in awhile. Is it still Politically correct.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by jms62

Haven't heard that in awhile. Is it still Politically correct.

Well, the origin of the saying long predates any negative connotation that had been given to it (even if erroneously given) in more recent times.

But I'll edit it out for the sake of being safe.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Well, the origin of the saying long predates any negative connotation that had been given to it (even if erroneously given) in more recent times.

But I'll edit it out for the sake of being safe.

just jokin.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by jms62

just jokin.

Eh, but I'd rather not have it out there if someone may take it the wrong way. My bleeding heart won't let me keep it there if I run that risk

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

To just mention it is not to be dishonest or disingenuous, which is why you'll see plenty of people making those arguments and not getting taken to the woodshed for them...because even if they're making a bad argument, they're doing it in good faith.

To have made about 74 different, terrible, dishonest and disingenuous arguments like you have....is to be dishonest and disingenuous. And lots of what you've been typing for several months isn't even good faith debate, because you change the goalposts, change what matters, and change the criteria whenever it suits you, then get all defensive and sullen when people call you on it and then you act like you're getting the short end of it from all these mean people who just love picking on you.

Dishonest and disingenuous. People just calling it as it happens.

great post & completely accurate.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

To just mention it is not to be dishonest or disingenuous, which is why you'll see plenty of people making those arguments and not getting taken to the woodshed for them...because even if they're making a bad argument, they're doing it in good faith.

To have made about 74 different, terrible, dishonest and disingenuous arguments like you have....is to be dishonest and disingenuous. And lots of what you've been typing for several months isn't even good faith debate, because you change the goalposts, change what matters, and change the criteria whenever it suits you, then get all defensive and sullen when people call you on it and then you act like you're getting the short end of it from all these mean people who just love picking on you.

Dishonest and disingenuous. People just calling it as it happens.

Just what have I said that was terrible, dishonest or disingenuous? Please tell me. Is questioning her competition terrible, dishonest or disingenuous? Is questioning her stopping on Sept 5 terrible, dishonest or disingenuous? Is believing Zenyatta is a better horse than her terrible, dishonest or disingenuous? Is saying if I had a vote for HOY I would vote for Zenyatta terrible, dishonest or disingenuous? I repectfully differ but it seems to me that it is you that gets all defensive and sullen when one simply questions RA on these specific things. I challenged a poster a few weeks ago to find one post that I have made that I said Rachel was a bad horse, there were none. You are barking up the wrong tree, because you cannot accept anyone's opinion that is different than yours.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by CSC

Just what have I said that was terrible, dishonest or disingenuous? Please tell me. Is questioning her competition terrible, dishonest or disingenuous? Is questioning her stopping on Sept 5 terrible, dishonest or disingenuous? Is believing Zenyatta is a better horse than her terrible, dishonest or disingenuous? Is saying if I had a vote for HOY I would vote for Zenyatta terrible, dishonest or disingenuous? I repectfully differ but it seems to me that it is you that gets all defensive and sullen when one simply questions RA on these specific things. I challenged a poster a few weeks ago to find one post that I have made that I said Rachel was a bad horse, there were none. You are barking up the wrong tree, because you cannot accept anyone's opinion that is different than yours.

OMFG someone call the waaaaambulance for CSC....I'm terribly sorry I don't have the time to go back and pull out EVERY time that you've changed the goalposts, made an intentionally dishonest argument, and ignored when people have called out every inconsistency in your arguments, of which there have been about two dozen. Sorry, I already have a full time job and don't have the hours to document it, but luckily anyone who has been reading in real-time as you've been doing it all these months already knows full well what I'm talking about, so there actually isn't any need for me to go do it for YOUR sake, since you're the only one still pretending you're not doing it.

Coach was right the other day -- I've gotten badly punked, because the entire paragraph I just typed basically explains EXACTLY what a troll is. Damnit, I'm always the last to know...

[CSC]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

OMFG someone call the waaaaambulance for CSC....I'm terribly sorry I don't have the time to go back and pull out EVERY time that you've changed the goalposts, made an intentionally dishonest argument, and ignored when people have called out every inconsistency in your arguments, of which there have been about two dozen. Sorry, I already have a full time job and don't have the hours to document it, but luckily anyone who has been reading in real-time as you've been doing it all these months already knows full well what I'm talking about, so there actually isn't any need for me to go do it for YOUR sake, since you're the only one still pretending you're not doing it.

Coach was right the other day -- I've gotten badly punked, because the entire paragraph I just typed basically explains EXACTLY what a troll is. Damnit, I'm always the last to know...

Changed goalposts on what? The error I think you are referring to I addressed and explained when I found out it was an error, I don't know why you cannot accept this. I too work F/T and don't have access to certain horseracing sites during the day. The discussion was on the name change of The Lady's Secret, while the site I went to only listed her BC Distaff as a major SA accomplishment, her other wins didn't change my mind because Zenyatta's SA accomplishments were better. If it had you can bet your bottom dollar I would have changed my view on that. That's the crux of it.

Again I ask you how have I made terrible, dishonest and disingenuous arguments towards Rachel Alexandra? I was on record as saying she was my choice for HOY prior to the BC, and as like anyone in their right mind reserved the right to adjust that opinion if there were any extraordinary performances later in the year. Isn't this the right of any horseracing fan?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by CSC

Isn't this the right of any horseracing fan?

The free speech straw man. Always one of my personal favorites.

Seriously, if you'd just call me a Nazi or compare me to Hitler, you'd have hit for the troll cycle.

[ateamstupid]

In the words of BWS, I wonder how we're going to spin Flashing's two G1 wins since getting steamrolled by RA.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

In the words of BWS, I wonder how we're going to spin Flashing's two G1 wins since getting steamrolled by RA.

And beating the California wonder-horse Stardom Bound to boot.

NT

[Merlinsky]

Someone remind me, how many lengths did RA beat Flashing by? Oops, nevermind, found it. That'd be 31 1/2.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

And beating the California wonder-horse Stardom Bound to boot.

NT

Did anyone really think Stardom Bound has been a wonder horse this year?

Am I the only one who smiles when things blow up on IEAH?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Did anyone really think Stardom Bound has been a wonder horse this year?

Am I the only one who smiles when things blow up on IEAH?

I was being coy. There were people (here included) who thought she was still good this year.

I absolutely love it when things blow up on IEAH. I am eagerly looking forward to Diamondrella losing the Matriarch.

NT

[letswastemoney]

Not that I think Stardom Bound is good, but the pace in the Gazelle today was dreadfully slow (24 and 48 if I remember), and the Ashland had a crawling pace as well. I think if Stardom Bound was ever a better price, she would be a good play in a race with some speed.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Not that I think Stardom Bound is good, but the pace in the Gazelle today was dreadfully slow (24 and 48 if I remember), and the Ashland had a crawling pace as well. I think if Stardom Bound was ever a better price, she would be a good play in a race with some speed.

Granted that the pace was slow but stardom bound did not gain any ground and looked tired at the end. She is probably the slowest multi Grade 1 winner in history.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Not that I think Stardom Bound is good, but the pace in the Gazelle today was dreadfully slow (24 and 48 if I remember), and the Ashland had a crawling pace as well. I think if Stardom Bound was ever a better price, she would be a good play in a race with some speed.

The track was extremely slow today. The :48 half was not really that slow. Stardom Bound was just never that good. Don't make DrugS come out of hiding and post the "where are they now" of the 2008 BC Juv Fillies field. It's frightening.

NT