Oak Tree renames the Lady's Secret the Zenyatta

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by CSC

Ok we talk circles with Z & RA, we know that by now... On a different note is it too much to ask just 1 RA fan to finally admit that the Travers would have been a better test for RA than the Woodward?

I think it would've been a tougher test, but not for the reasons you think. She crushed Summer Bird a month prior, why would she suddenly have had trouble with him? I think the Woodward was smarter just because I question her ability to go 10 furlongs as effectively as 9. That being said, I think she would've won the Travers too.

Originally Posted by CSC

I have to make one note, Einstein was blasted in the Classic and still finished a respectable 3rd today, I think this is a testament how good a race the Classic was. A much better race than the Woodward is starting to look like and to be impartial(just so BS cannot throw out the bias card) perhaps also the JCGC. The older male division was a joke this year.

Way to contradict yourself. The Classic was awesome, but the older male division was a joke? As much as I like Blame, that was not a very fast race today, so I don't think Einstein should be given extra credit for finishing third.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
She crushed Summer Bird a month prior

:rolleyes: I can't wait till next year, this is so old. I may take bets.

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Way to contradict yourself. The Classic was awesome, but the older male division was a joke? As much as I like Blame, that was not a very fast race today, so I don't think Einstein should be given extra credit for finishing third.

It isn't? Glad to see you have trouble reading like others here, way to ignore the point, Einstein being blasted in a race Z was much the best in and finishing a respectable 3rd today, where was Bullsbay and Macho Again today...3 weeks ago 2 months ago..Nice try at diverting the conversation.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by CSC

It isn't? Glad to see you have trouble reading like others here, way to ignore the point, Einstein being blasted in a race Z was much the best in and finishing a respectable 3rd today, where was Bullsbay and Macho Again today...3 weeks ago 2 months ago..Nice try at diverting the conversation.

If you could figure out how to use the quote button, I might know what point you were referring to. You do realize Macho Again beat Einstein in the Foster right? Kind of flies in the face of your otherwise ironclad "Einstein beat Macho Again today so Zenyatta is better than Rachel Alexandra" corollary.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

If you could figure out how to use the quote button, I might know what point you were referring to. You do realize Macho Again beat Einstein in the Foster right? Kind of flies in the face of your otherwise ironclad "Einstein beat Macho Again today so Zenyatta is better than Rachel Alexandra" corollary.

The point is now, what kind of horse is MA. After RA was all out to beat him, he has been blasted by SB, and off a freshening where he was the favorite a well beaten horse today. He was also beaten by a horse that has run decent races on poly and just happened to be a distant loser to Z. Now are all these races absolutely true efforts, probably the answer is yes and no on this one, but even allowing for 1 off effort by both neither has come back to run a race worthy of a Whitney winner or a horse that was held to a higher rep for pushing RA to the limit. Whether one wants to see this or not, today's Clark flattered Z more than it did RA, even if it was arguably a small win.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by CSC

The point is now...

No, the point is cherry-picking races that suit your argument and ignoring races that don't. That's what every one of your arguments entails. So keep waiting until next year.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

No, the point is cherry-picking races that suit your argument and ignoring races that don't. That's what every one of your arguments entails. So keep waiting until next year.

I'm not sure I am doing anything different than what others are doing, I think I asked which race is looking better now, the Woodward or the Travers? It's a good question when you bring into context of what we are discussing. I'm not sure if we were talking about another horse this be such a big deal. I think it's a worthwhile topic but to mention it you are somehow being dishonest, disingenous, and other not too flattering adjectives I have been called lately.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by CSC

I think it's a worthwhile topic but to mention it you are somehow being dishonest, disingenous, and other not too flattering adjectives I have been called lately.

To just mention it is not to be dishonest or disingenuous, which is why you'll see plenty of people making those arguments and not getting taken to the woodshed for them...because even if they're making a bad argument, they're doing it in good faith.

To have made about 74 different, terrible, dishonest and disingenuous arguments like you have....is to be dishonest and disingenuous. And lots of what you've been typing for several months isn't even good faith debate, because you change the goalposts, change what matters, and change the criteria whenever it suits you, then get all defensive and sullen when people call you on it and then you act like you're getting the short end of it from all these mean people who just love picking on you.

Dishonest and disingenuous. People just calling it as it happens.

[ateamstupid]

In the words of BWS, I wonder how we're going to spin Flashing's two G1 wins since getting steamrolled by RA.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

In the words of BWS, I wonder how we're going to spin Flashing's two G1 wins since getting steamrolled by RA.

And beating the California wonder-horse Stardom Bound to boot.

NT

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

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Way to contradict yourself. The Classic was awesome, but the older male division was a joke?

Didn't want to ignore this comment, Summer Bird or any of the other 3 yr old males are not older horses. Obviously the comment didn't include Gio Ponti or the Euro's either. Mostly this 3 yr old crop can be a very good one.