McLaughlin with 3 positives; Gets 30 day ban..

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by gales0678

kenny mcpeek reminds me of doctors - they are always away on vacation when you need them and you have to settle for an asst

Really Kenny McPeek won a ton of Dough this last Keeneland meet, racing his 50k yearlings against 500k yearlings. Your Dr must have some VERY smokin hot asst's.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Really Kenny McPeek won a ton of Dough this last Keeneland meet, racing his 50k yearlings against 500k yearlings. Your Dr must have some VERY smokin hot asst's.

and mr mcpeek has some pretty good one's as well

freddy what will the shieks do , will they dump kiaran?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by gales0678

and mr mcpeek has some pretty good one's as well

freddy what will the shieks do , will they dump kiaran?

Not according to Cannon Shell, his theory is Darley will double shift him..lol

I have no clue nor do I care very much. I suspect Mclaughlin will be fine. Mostly because he is a wonderful horseman with terrific skills. The assertion that the very best trainers in the industry are simply medical wonders is so friggin self righteous that you have to laugh hard.

You think I don't understand these guys push hard, please any moron knows they are vetting the F out of their stock. So apparently this is what it takes to get horses to race well. WE have 50k races in this country a year. Close 60% of the tracks and make shopping malls out of them and you will see the decline of the cheaters and the emergence of the full field and high quality properly bred animal.. Do you realize how many horrendously bred animals are bred because Penn Nat lets pigs race for 25k? A complete pig races for 25k and the best of allowance race horses go for 45k.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Not according to Cannon Shell, his theory is Darley will double shift him..lol

I have no clue nor do I care very much. I suspect Mclaughlin will be fine. Mostly because he is a wonderful horseman with terrific skills. The assertion that the very best trainers in the industry are simply medical wonders is so friggin self righteous that you have to laugh hard.

You think I don't understand these guys push hard, please any moron knows they are vetting the F out of their stock. So apparently this is what it takes to get horses to race well. WE have 50k races in this country a year. Close 60% of the tracks and make shopping malls out of them and you will see the decline of the cheaters and the emergence of the full field and high quality properly bred animal.. Do you realize how many horrendously bred animals are bred because Penn Nat lets pigs race for 25k? A complete pig races for 25k and the best of allowance race horses go for 45k.

Disagree... less races, more competition, MORE cheating...

unless things go the way of Hong Kong, where positives REALLY cost money and business, then this crap will continue.

As for McLaughlin... the lack of furor is probably because we are all tired of it. We all knew he was doing something, probably not major, it was just a matter of when not if when he got caught.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by philcski

As for McLaughlin... the lack of furor is probably because we are all tired of it. We all knew he was doing something, probably not major, it was just a matter of when not if when he got caught.

The lack of furor is because McLaughlin is perceived as likable, innocuous and, most utterly mystifying, somehow above reproach. That was my point originally. There's a shocking double standard about who gets vilified when these incidents come up. The well-packaged, most blatant edge-takers somehow skate in the public eye while the Oil Can Harrys are heaped on in an orgy of outrage.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Kasept

The lack of furor is because McLaughlin is perceived as likable, innocuous and, most utterly mystifying, somehow above reproach. That was my point originally. There's a shocking double standard about who gets vilified when these incidents come up. The well-packaged, most blatant edge-takers somehow skate in the public eye while the Oil Can Harrys are heaped on in an orgy of outrage.

it's similar to politcs steve , the media pick and choose who they want to bury ,it's the american way ....how on earth anyone with a straight face can say that obama was anymore qualified to be president than any of the challengers from both sides is a complete farce .....he was the media's messiah, over at nbc they actually believe he can walk on water

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Kasept

The lack of furor is because McLaughlin is perceived as likable, innocuous and, most utterly mystifying, somehow above reproach. That was my point originally. There's a shocking double standard about who gets vilified when these incidents come up. The well-packaged, most blatant edge-takers somehow skate in the public eye while the Oil Can Harrys are heaped on in an orgy of outrage.

This too, for sure. Some, like Vaders or Beatties (pick one) are universally reviled, others like Asmussen, Dutrow, and Pletcher are polarized, and a select few are placed above like McLaughlin and Frankel despite their errors in judgement.

Makes the select few who DON'T cheat, like Mandella and Shirreffs, look even better.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by philcski

This too, for sure. Some, like Vaders or Beatties (pick one) are universally reviled, others like Asmussen, Dutrow, and Pletcher are polarized, and a select few are placed above like McLaughlin and Frankel despite their errors in judgement.

Makes the select few who DON'T cheat, like Mandella and Shirreffs, look even better.

I agree, but I also don't think you can simply "lump" all of these people into the same category of "cheater" so to speak. This discussion can turn into a discussion of semantics in the blink of an eye.

Eric

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by Kasept

The lack of furor is because McLaughlin is perceived as likable, innocuous and, most utterly mystifying, somehow above reproach. That was my point originally. There's a shocking double standard about who gets vilified when these incidents come up. The well-packaged, most blatant edge-takers somehow skate in the public eye while the Oil Can Harrys are heaped on in an orgy of outrage.

Steve,
Are you saying that Kiaran is one of those "well-packaged, most blatant edge-takers"? We are talking about a very small amount that may, at that amount, have a negliable effect on performance. Plus, as long as we have a sport governed by multiple entities with varying rules and regulations I think a mistake or misjudgement is bound to happen. There are many states that can run on that substance at that level without any problem. Why doesn't everybody just take a breath and wait on the split sample. It is too bad that the tests have yet to be confirmed and Ray came out with this.

[Kasept]

FYI... McLaughlin starts a 30 day suspension today..

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Not according to Cannon Shell, his theory is Darley will double shift him..lol

I have no clue nor do I care very much. I suspect Mclaughlin will be fine. Mostly because he is a wonderful horseman with terrific skills. The assertion that the very best trainers in the industry are simply medical wonders is so friggin self righteous that you have to laugh hard.

You think I don't understand these guys push hard, please any moron knows they are vetting the F out of their stock. So apparently this is what it takes to get horses to race well. WE have 50k races in this country a year. Close 60% of the tracks and make shopping malls out of them and you will see the decline of the cheaters and the emergence of the full field and high quality properly bred animal.. Do you realize how many horrendously bred animals are bred because Penn Nat lets pigs race for 25k? A complete pig races for 25k and the best of allowance race horses go for 45k.

And this is the same logic that led us to Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens. Having the best horses isnt enough. We need to "push hard". Or in other words cheat. I have defended many trainers on the forum when they get a bs positive and everyone wants to pile on. But when a "wonderful guy" gets a blatant positive it is just business as usual? Incredible.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Really Kenny McPeek won a ton of Dough this last Keeneland meet, racing his 50k yearlings against 500k yearlings. Your Dr must have some VERY smokin hot asst's.

I would guess that very few of MePeeks runners this past meet were of the 50k variety.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I would guess that very few of MePeeks runners this past meet were of the 50k variety.

Actually I don't think he had a horse over $150K and most ranged in the $50-$80K range. Of the juveniles he brought to the BC, the cheapest was Noble's Promise at $10K and the most expensive was Connie and Michael at $100K. One horse was a homebred and the other two were $80K.

Sorry, if I was buying horses - McPeek would be my guy!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Actually I don't think he had a horse over $150K and most ranged in the $50-$80K range. Of the juveniles he brought to the BC, the cheapest was Noble's Promise at $10K and the most expensive was Connie and Michael at $100K. One horse was a homebred and the other two were $80K.

Sorry, if I was buying horses - McPeek would be my guy!

He didnt buy Nobles Promise. House of grace was 100k. Beautician was 110k.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He didnt buy Nobles Promise. House of grace was 100k. Beautician was 110k.

You can look on his website and see most of his purchases and/or horses running under him (I don't think Freddy was specifing only the horses bought by McPeek when he mentioned McPeek's winners at the KEE meet) are closer to the 50K range than the 500K range...

http://www.mcpeekracing.com/services/

http://www.mcpeekracing.com/entries/

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

You can look on his website and see most of his purchases and/or horses running under him (I don't think Freddy was specifing only the horses bought by McPeek when he mentioned McPeek's winners at the KEE meet) are closer to the 50K range than the 500K range...

http://www.mcpeekracing.com/services/

http://www.mcpeekracing.com/entries/

The vast majority of horses listed are long since retired.

[philcski]

http://www.paulickreport.com/blog/a-...-at-all-costs/

not to beat on the guy who just died, but he was a good trainer that had plenty of positives, including a morphine positive (and in this case, admitted usage without getting caught.) they all do whatever they can.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The vast majority of horses listed are long since retired.

Please Chuck give the guy credit. He has won a a lot with horses that were not exactly a++ types. He won wth a lot 25 -100k types that turned out to be very good earners. I wish his 2009 on you and yours in 2010

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The vast majority of horses listed are long since retired.

OK, you win Chuck - he totally sucks as a blood-stock agent and a trainer and you're like the best EVAH.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

You can look on his website and see most of his purchases and/or horses running under him (I don't think Freddy was specifing only the horses bought by McPeek when he mentioned McPeek's winners at the KEE meet) are closer to the 50K range than the 500K range...

http://www.mcpeekracing.com/services/

http://www.mcpeekracing.com/entries/

Not to burst any bubble, a perfect example of why not to get involved with a guy like McPeek is right here.

In his Private Offerings section, he has a 2008 Officer yearling filly available for 15k for 20%. That would be 75k for 100% of said filly. But he is keeping 20% of the filly, time to ask why?

Low and behold, that filly was bought in September for 50k, Hip# 2134. I'm sorry but within 45 days, she didn't jump 50% in value because she was eating Magdelena grass....

This would mean that he is selling 80% of the horse for 60k, so he is keeping 20% of the horse plus pocketing 10k.

Thats a great gig if you can get it to work. Knowing this, I would question every single invoice he ever sent.