Churchill 5th.. 12yo mare off 9 year layoff?

[Linny]

There are alot of old timers still going at 10+ but not mares that have been pasture puffs after several years of difficult pregnancies. The person who gave her the horse did so under the express order that she was to be a riding horse. This is why I think that there should be a "retired" status, meaning "this horse cannot race again."

[cabvmd]

As a former racing offical I commend the stewards, but considering the history of the horse, the entry should not have been taken UNTIL a state vet had been informed and had an opporunity to see the horse train. There needs to be communication between the race office, state vets, stewards to avoid these types of incidences.

In many years past, we had quite a few RESPONSIBLE trainers that would approch us with a horse that had been on a long lay off and ask if we would like to observe one of the horse's works before they entered.

When Costello cried "I can not afford to bring her all the way here and not run her" is so typical of the "gyp' trainer mentality. When this young lady began to cry in public and her companion yell and berate a racing offical it just shows the "no clue" factor that these people have concerning the serious nature of preparing a horse properly, ensuring the welfare of their horse as well as the other entrants.

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by Linny

There are alot of old timers still going at 10+ but not mares that have been pasture puffs after several years of difficult pregnancies. The person who gave her the horse did so under the express order that she was to be a riding horse. This is why I think that there should be a "retired" status, meaning "this horse cannot race again."

couldnt they have withheld certain paperwork in giving her the horse where as she would not have been able to enter her to race?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

couldnt they have withheld certain paperwork in giving her the horse where as she would not have been able to enter her to race?

but surely someone as smart as this girl seems to be could manage to find a way?


seriously tho....she asked them for the necessary papers, and lied to get them-they certainly seem to have grounds to prove she was given the horse with certain criteria such as no racing. why else would she have said it was for an event? she certainly wasn't bragging to them that their former mare was suddenly 'race ready'.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but surely someone as smart as this girl seems to be could manage to find a way?


seriously tho....she asked them for the necessary papers, and lied to get them-they certainly seem to have grounds to prove she was given the horse with certain criteria such as no racing. why else would she have said it was for an event? she certainly wasn't bragging to them that their former mare was suddenly 'race ready'.

I feel that unless it's in writing that the horse can't race....it was her horse and she didn't break any rules, even if she did lie to get the papers.

Not that I agree with racing her cause I don't.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

I feel that unless it's in writing that the horse can't race....it was her horse and she didn't break any rules, even if she did lie to get the papers.

Not that I agree with racing her cause I don't.

from drf's article:

Rick Trontz, a central Kentucky breeder who had claimed the horse for $32,000 from the Del Mar race but had no luck with her as a producer, said Tuesday he gave the mare to Costello, a former employee, but only with the stipulation that Grand Forks be used strictly as a pleasure horse.


might explain why she claimed she needed the papers for a pleasure event. why else would he have kept them, unless to keep the horse from breeding/racing? and keep in mind that a verbal agreement is legally binding.

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

I feel that unless it's in writing that the horse can't race....it was her horse and she didn't break any rules, even if she did lie to get the papers.

Not that I agree with racing her cause I don't.

If there was no original bill of sale, then legally she doesn't own the horse. This is likely the reason the owner never forwarded the papers. To protect the horse and himself in the event THIS happened. So, she did break the rules, and is a morally repugnant person... and should die of gonorrhea.

[chucklestheclown]

What do papers have to do with racing? Is it like a car title? Is everyone required to show it every time an entry fee is taken? I want to know.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

What do papers have to do with racing? Is it like a car title? Is everyone required to show it every time an entry fee is taken? I want to know.

Yes... it's a legal document, issued by the Jockey Club. States have additional paperwork that deal in livestock sale, kind of like a car title.
https://www.registry.jockeyclub.com/...TOKEN=53392871

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

What do papers have to do with racing? Is it like a car title? Is everyone required to show it every time an entry fee is taken? I want to know.

The papers are kept at the racing office. A horse can't run unless the papers are in the racing office. If the racing office does not have possesion of the papers, they won't let your horse run.