11/18 (CD): Aldebutante hurt exiting race

[Unstable]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not much else to say but she did come back with a bunch of cuts and scrapes and had a case of the thumps afterwards.

Please educate my ignorance... what are the thumps?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Unstable

Please educate my ignorance... what are the thumps?

Kind of like a nasty case of the hiccups brought on by an electrolyte imbalance. She sweats like a hog (unfortunately seems to run that way too) which is depleting her. We treated her for this condition prerace and the temps were pretty cool but it seemingly is just another issue without a solution for her.

[cabvmd]

Thumps is uncontolled contractions of the diapharm. The sides of the horse contract hard and they breath very hard as well, ie "thumps"

Generally seen in exahusted horses and due to electrolyte imbalances.

But that said it is also not unusual to see in horses in starts after a lay off, esp if they get nervous and sweat a lot, first time lasix horses, unseasonably warm or really hot days in the summer. Seen it all these cases as well.



CAB, VMD

[Unstable]

Thanks for the info.

[cabvmd]

Saw Cannon Shell's reply that Deb is a big sweater and nervous.

When I worked as an attending vet at the track I found B1 and Calcuim helps these real nervous sweaty fillies and mares. I even had a couple of geldings I would give it to as well. Chuck knows and has probalbly tried this, but just in case he did not try this combination I posted it.

Show horse trainers use Magnsium sulfate as a calming treatement and muscle treatment as well.


With all electrolyte treatments you have to try and titrate the horse to see what is the minimum doses that help and be very careful as all the electrolyes are "micronutrients" and exessive doses can be harmful.

ie Standardbred trainers use potassium citrate to make the horses' blood more basic instead of baking soda since the "Black box" testing for milk shaking tests for elevated levels of sodium bicarb, the traditional milk shake material. High potassium causes irregular heart rhythms which I saw many when I was a state vet at the Meadowlands. In the first 5 years I worked I saw maybe 1 or 2 horses with atrial fib, after the advent of testing for milk shakes and the trainers started using these "alternative" ways to lower the pH of the horses' blood, I would see 1-2 a week.

[Unstable]

Originally Posted by cabvmd

Saw Cannon Shell's reply that Deb is a big sweater and nervous.

When I worked as an attending vet at the track I found B1 and Calcuim helps these real nervous sweaty fillies and mares. I even had a couple of geldings I would give it to as well. Chuck knows and has probalbly tried this, but just in case he did not try this combination I posted it.

Show horse trainers use Magnsium sulfate as a calming treatement and muscle treatment as well.


With all electrolyte treatments you have to try and titrate the horse to see what is the minimum doses that help and be very careful as all the electrolyes are "micronutrients" and exessive doses can be harmful.

ie Standardbred trainers use potassium citrate to make the horses' blood more basic instead of baking soda since the "Black box" testing for milk shaking tests for elevated levels of sodium bicarb, the traditional milk shake material. High potassium causes irregular heart rhythms which I saw many when I was a state vet at the Meadowlands. In the first 5 years I worked I saw maybe 1 or 2 horses with atrial fib, after the advent of testing for milk shakes and the trainers started using these "alternative" ways to lower the pH of the horses' blood, I would see 1-2 a week.

Thanks, again.

Hopefully, Chuck can use this information (if he hasn't already tried it).

[Halfbridled]

yes, it kind of looks like she's protecting her knees by not pushing herself too hard.

[phystech]

I recall this filly had knee surgery last Dec, but I see the use of the plural "knees" being offered as one of her problems. I didn't realize this was a "knees" situation, instead of just her left knee. Is this something that can be addressed by tapping one, or both knees?

Or, are we quickly approaching new career time for Aldeb?

It never makes sense to pour good money into a bad situation and I've frequently found the best money I have in my pocket is the cash I didn't spend.

Philly isn't an easier circuit for her kind, but MD or Charles Town might be - are either of those options beng considered? Are $8k maidens in MD, or $5k maidens at CT in her future?

Whatever you guys decide, it's never an easy call.....

[Danzig]

the quickness of her works don't necessarily show a lack of want-to. was she, yet again, a victim of having footing not to her liking?