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View Poll Results: Was your job "created or saved" by the $787B stimulus package?
My job was created by the stimulus package. 1 1.59%
My job was "saved" by the stimulus package. 2 3.17%
Neither -- my taxes paid for the stimulus package. 53 84.13%
I'm unemployed, and looking for a job so I can help pay for the stimulus package. 3 4.76%
I don't work (retired, disabled, welfare recipient, etc), so I really don't care. 4 6.35%
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Old 11-18-2009, 10:35 AM
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Jobs saved = intellectual dishonesty
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Old 11-18-2009, 10:46 AM
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Jobs saved = intellectual dishonesty
It is necessary to note, as much as you don't like it, that the Obama administration is not the first to use the "jobs saved" argument.

That said, it's a bullsh*t argument, and I'm touched to see you actually calling a case of intellectual dishonesty what it is.
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:25 PM
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It is necessary to note, as much as you don't like it, that the Obama administration is not the first to use the "jobs saved" argument.
That said, it's a bullsh*t argument, and I'm touched to see you actually calling a case of intellectual dishonesty what it is.
It isnt?
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:41 PM
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It isnt?
June 24, 2004, remarks by then-Agriculture Secretary Ann M. Veneman:

"Our Rural Development programs also help communities with infrastructure such as electricity, water and telecommunications and with economic development assistance. We have estimated that our rural development programs have saved or created more than 500,000 jobs just since the Bush Administration took office in January of 2001. Recently we have seen more positive numbers showing that the U.S. economy created nearly a quarter of a million jobs last month alone for a total of 1 million jobs created in the last three months and about 1.5 million jobs in the past nine months."

In my opinion, attempting to count the number of jobs "saved" - regardless of which administration attempts to do it - is a pretty pointless and impossible task.
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Old 11-18-2009, 04:14 PM
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June 24, 2004, remarks by then-Agriculture Secretary Ann M. Veneman:

"Our Rural Development programs also help communities with infrastructure such as electricity, water and telecommunications and with economic development assistance. We have estimated that our rural development programs have saved or created more than 500,000 jobs just since the Bush Administration took office in January of 2001. Recently we have seen more positive numbers showing that the U.S. economy created nearly a quarter of a million jobs last month alone for a total of 1 million jobs created in the last three months and about 1.5 million jobs in the past nine months."

In my opinion, attempting to count the number of jobs "saved" - regardless of which administration attempts to do it - is a pretty pointless and impossible task.
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Old 11-23-2009, 01:52 PM
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Looks like most of us are just working and paying for the stimulus. Big surprise.
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Well...let's have it.
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Old 11-18-2009, 10:56 AM
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Jobs saved = intellectual dishonesty
I agree to an extent. Saying you saved jobs would be honest. Trying to put a number on how many isn't. One could easily make up a number about jobs COSTED. No?
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Old 11-18-2009, 12:27 PM
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I agree to an extent. Saying you saved jobs would be honest. Trying to put a number on how many isn't. One could easily make up a number about jobs COSTED. No?
Jobs saved is not possible to establish nor is a counter to any posted number of jobs saved available therefore it is intellectually dishonest. Or in plainer terms, propaganda.
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