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11-15-2009, 04:43 PM
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I was like "remember how I explained how one camp wants to talk about races and stats, and the other wants to talk about crying and feeling good inside, yea....'and she just has genuine star power,' is one of the things allegedly in her corner for HOY." It's like the further we get into the "debate," the more crazy the diversions become. In a couple weeks, having exhausted anything bordering on a reasonable analysis, people will be talking about how Rachel's unwillingness to dance before the race to entertain the fans is a serious concern when thinking about HOY voting. 
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11-15-2009, 05:06 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8kRDFNFIl8
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11-15-2009, 05:21 PM
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11-15-2009, 05:22 PM
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Here are the grade 1/2 races that the horses Zenyatta has beaten won this year since JB says Zenyatta beat up on Anashits creation, the favorite argument to why Zenyatta just is a notch below
Breeders Cup Distaff Kentucky Derby Travers Santa Anita Derby Sham Stakes Jockey Club Gold Cup Irish Champion Stakes Pacific Classic Arlignton Million Man O War Manhatten Kilroe Santa Anita Handicap Clark Queen Elizibeth Sussex Stakes Super Derby Amersterdam Fountain of Youth Florida Derby Hawthorne Gold Cup El Encino La Canada Santa Margarita
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11-15-2009, 05:36 PM
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Interesting that you include stakes that Quality Road won, Sea the Stars won, that horses won in years past while claiming that it was this year, a Grade III already disqualified by the previous problem, and a race that hasn't even been run yet in 2009. Last edited by brianwspencer : 11-15-2009 at 05:47 PM.
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11-15-2009, 06:15 PM
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for starters, exactly when did zenyatta face pioneerof the nile, or the pamplemousse? and i guess it's the clark brian was asking about, since there is no '09 winner as yet.
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11-15-2009, 06:17 PM
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11-15-2009, 06:20 PM
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not sure what jerry brown has to do with your post about winners this year that zenyatta faced in the classic. or what the winner of the irish championship has to do with it either, since sea the stars didn't come to the bc this year.
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11-15-2009, 06:20 PM
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But she still got that dirty head past Anabaa's Creation. And that counts for something as the winner of.....a second-level allowance.
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11-15-2009, 06:23 PM
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yeah, that's why i said for starters...i knew there were more than the ones i mentioned.
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11-15-2009, 06:26 PM
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 And the hilarious thing is that I don't even dislike Zenyatta. I think she's awesome. I think Rachel earned this fair and square and accomplished significantly more -- and it's telling that those arguing in favor of that use history, races, performances, and analysis to make their case while those arguing against it are just trying to find something, ANYTHING that comes close to working...and that's either emotion (which should have nothing to do with it) or half-truths, or in the case of that clusterf*ck of a post above about the GI/GII winners above, a 70% truth, if rounding up.
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11-15-2009, 11:23 PM
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11-15-2009, 05:32 PM
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11-17-2009, 12:03 PM
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