11/11 ATR: The Great HOTY Debate

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CSC

Again, I think this would be great and all had RA raced past Sept 5, and I know I will be reminded of her starting early in the year, her campaign was super up until that point, but in retrospect one would have to wonder which race would we have rather seen her in, The Martha Washington or the BC Classic.

February 16, March 14, April 5, May 1, May 16, June 27, August 2, September 5, those were the dates of her races. I have no idea what you're trying to say and am completely unable to understand why her not running after 9/5 is such a problem to you. It is almost as ridiculous as someone saying Zenyatta can't win HOTY because she didn't start before 5/23.

NT

[slotdirt]

You know, who did win that nonsense race on Derby day for which Zenyatta was entered and scratched?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

You know, who did win that nonsense race on Derby day for which Zenyatta was entered and scratched?

Miss Isella over One Caroline.

NT

[slotdirt]

Ah, that's right. Good thing Zenyatta didn't run there.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Ah, that's right. Good thing Zenyatta didn't run there.

actually.. I seem to remember a big stretch dual and a very fast finishing time. Could be misremembering though.

[slotdirt]

I remember that the weather sucked and I didn't have the winner, mostly.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I remember that the weather sucked and I didn't have the winner, mostly.

I remember checking to see who Calvin was riding in the Derby after that and saying to myself "no way in hell"

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

February 16, March 14, April 5, May 1, May 16, June 27, August 2, September 5, those were the dates of her races. I have no idea what you're trying to say and am completely unable to understand why her not running after 9/5 is such a problem to you. It is almost as ridiculous as someone saying Zenyatta can't win HOTY because she didn't start before 5/23.

NT

Basically what I am saying is we wouldn't be debating HOY right now had she raced in the BC, off the top of my head only a handful of horses have won HOY without racing in the BC the last 20 yrs, Point Given and Mineshaft come to mind, and this was not of their choosing due to injuries, if HOY wasn't in consideration I think none of us would care why she didn't show up on the biggest day of racing. That's the crux of it, we all respect both horses, but all of us have our reasons why one is thought of higher than the other, and right now it looks split right down the middle.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CSC

Basically what I am saying is we wouldn't be debating HOY right now had she raced in the BC, off the top of my head only a handful of horses have won HOY without racing in the BC the last 20 yrs, Point Given and Mineshaft come to mind, and this was not of their choosing due to injuries, if HOY wasn't in consideration I think none of us would care why she didn't show up on the biggest day of racing. That's the crux of it, we all respect both horses, but all of us have our reasons why one is thought of higher than the other, and right now it looks split right down the middle.

You're forgetting something, based on what she had done, Rachel really didn't have to run again. After 9/5 we all knew it was going to take something extraordinary to displace her at the top of the HOTY heap. The difference now is that you think that happened. I don't.

NT

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

You're forgetting something, based on what she had done, Rachel really didn't have to run again. After 9/5 we all knew it was going to take something extraordinary to displace her at the top of the HOTY heap. The difference now is that you think that happened. I don't.

NT

And that's unfortunate because you could probably stage a pay per view event for a RA / Zen matchup, something we can now only speculate on.