Now Quality Road refuses to board plane

[Riot]

The BH article said the plan was for him to leave on the cross-country van tonight. 36 hours non-stop is the first leg in a double box stall with the groom present. Makes sense they'd let him blow out this morning.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Riot

The BH article said the plan was for him to leave on the cross-country van tonight. 36 hours non-stop is the first leg in a double box stall with the groom present. Makes sense they'd let him blow out this morning.

The opposite point of view would be that a stressful work (:48+ is a decent move) right on top of another stressful event (longer than normal ship by van no less) is potentially a recipe for disaster. Isn't there a chance he walks off the van with a fever?

Add on top of that any soundness issues probably wouldn't be detected before KY, not to mention the horse reportedly had lacerations sutured from the gate and plane mishaps, and you wonder what's the hurry.

Is the Cigar Mile this weekend?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

The opposite point of view would be that a stressful work (:48+ is a decent move) right on top of another stressful event (longer than normal ship by van no less) is potentially a recipe for disaster. Isn't there a chance he walks off the van with a fever?

Add on top of that any soundness issues probably wouldn't be detected before KY, not to mention the horse reportedly had lacerations sutured from the gate and plane mishaps, and you wonder what's the hurry.

Is the Cigar Mile this weekend?

Any horse could break a fever after any ship.

Fit racehorses are not really good at standing patiently in 12 x 12 areas for a day and a half. They tend to destroy themselves.

Works far better if they have been exercised normally, and are a bit tired. Don't forget the horse was worked planning up to the effort of a race, but didn't get that race effort. He's probably climbing the walls a bit if he's that type.

Probably far less likely he walks off the van with a fever, as he can get his head down, and move around in a box; versus a plane ride where they are in crossties in a standing stall.

I would assume, from what has been published, that there may be a couple sutures in the horses upper front gum. That wouldn't interfer with bitting or eating.

If I had a horse with a traumatic gate incident (or trailering incident, or any scary and/or harmful incident whatsoever), I would try sooner, rather than later, to retrain and blot that incident out of the horses' mind, and get back to normal as quickly as possible. Virtually immediately would be best.

Horses think and memorize and imprint in their own equiney way, and it's not like dogs or cats or people.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Riot

Any horse could break a fever after any ship.

And my contention is that its more likely that a horse already recently stressed (via the work, not to mention any unmeasurable stress from the other clusterfucl<s), will turn up with a fever after shipping.

Its certainly not a capital crime, and I'm sure its done all the time, but given all the other things that the horse has suffered through, you'd think they'd just relax and start again slowly, from scratch.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

And my contention is that its more likely that a horse already recently stressed (via the work, not to mention any unmeasurable stress from the other clusterfucl<s), will turn up with a fever after shipping.

Its certainly not a capital crime, and I'm sure its done all the time, but given all the other things that the horse has suffered through, you'd think they'd just relax and start again slowly, from scratch.

That is assuming that a 48.60 work for a horse like Quality Road would be a stressful event. As wound up as he has been recently, letting him stretch his legs was probably the least stressful thing asked of him.

Many trainers work their horses the day they ship long distances. Among them noted Freddy Mo mancrush, Shug.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That is assuming that a 48.60 work for a horse like Quality Road would be a stressful event. As wound up as he has been recently, letting him stretch his legs was probably the least stressful thing asked of him.

Many trainers work their horses the day they ship long distances. Among them noted Freddy Mo mancrush, Shug.

I know I always walk to Jimmy Johns rather than drive right before a long flight..

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That is assuming that a 48.60 work for a horse like Quality Road would be a stressful event. As wound up as he has been recently, letting him stretch his legs was probably the least stressful thing asked of him.

Many trainers work their horses the day they ship long distances. Among them noted Freddy Mo mancrush, Shug.

If Shug does it it HAS TO BE RIGHT..Nobody other then perhaps Dinny roots for Shug harder then me.. He has a FTS by Dixie Union out of a Relaxing daughter Saturday.. Derby 10 winner..lol

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That is assuming that a 48.60 work for a horse like Quality Road would be a stressful event. As wound up as he has been recently, letting him stretch his legs was probably the least stressful thing asked of him.

I'm using the term "stress" in a much more generic sense. A workout in general "stresses" an athlete's entire body, exposing to a slew of problems (if only briefly). I'm not suggesting something specific or negative happened as a result of the work in this case. Just the normal, uneventful breeze alone leaves the body more vulnerable.

Nonetheless, as an example, we don't know if the horse has a history of bleeding (Pletcher did add Lasix where Jerkens did not) and even if not, due to the recent episodes involving the horse, it's possible he could bleed in an isolated incident. As I'm sure you're aware, horses also can go off feed for a day or two following a work.

Again, I'm just saying the connections are taking more and more risks seemingly daily with the colt after the gate fiasco. The odds are still in their favor that they won't get burned by any of it.

Many trainers work their horses the day they ship long distances. Among them noted Freddy Mo mancrush, Shug.

Yeah, but I would assume in Shug McGaughey, for the most part, ships his horses right on top of the race, getting all the conditioning done at home and avoiding having to breeze the horse on a new surface (or without his supervision).

That's different from Quality Road's case. As far as I know, he's not shipping to run right away, unless of course, he was targeting the Stuyvesant...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I'm using the term "stress" in a much more generic sense. A workout in general "stresses" an athlete's entire body, exposing to a slew of problems (if only briefly). I'm not suggesting something specific or negative happened as a result of the work in this case. Just the normal, uneventful breeze alone leaves the body more vulnerable.

Nonetheless, as an example, we don't know if the horse has a history of bleeding (Pletcher did add Lasix where Jerkens did not) and even if not, due to the recent episodes involving the horse, it's possible he could bleed in an isolated incident. As I'm sure you're aware, horses also can go off feed for a day or two following a work.

Again, I'm just saying the connections are taking more and more risks seemingly daily with the colt after the gate fiasco. The odds are still in their favor that they won't get burned by any of it.



Yeah, but I would assume in Shug McGaughey, for the most part, ships his horses right on top of the race, getting all the conditioning done at home and avoiding having to breeze the horse on a new surface (or without his supervision).

That's different from Quality Road's case. As far as I know, he's not shipping to run right away, unless of course, he was targeting the Stuyvesant...

I think you are over thinking it a little bit. If he were to bleed I'm sure they would delay the ship.

As for the Shug post, while he does often breeze and ship (I was thinking more of shipping the barn NY to FL or vice versa) that was for for Freddy Mo's benefit than anything.