Who Is Horse Of The Year?

[goodcopy]

Zennatta Step up and race against the best in the world!
She beat grd.1 or grp.1 horses from 6 or 7 country's!
She's undeafeated and 14 for 14!
Rachel had the chance to run against the boy's in the derby and chose the Oaks,She didn't run in the travers and no matter the surfase she chose not to run at the Breeders cup!

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by goodcopy

Zennatta Step up and race against the best in the world!
She beat grd.1 or grp.1 horses from 6 or 7 country's!
She's undeafeated and 14 for 14!
Rachel had the chance to run against the boy's in the derby and chose the Oaks,She didn't run in the travers and no matter the surfase she chose not to run at the Breeders cup!

Didnt somebody make this same idiotic comment yesterday?? Can we say TROLL!!!

[Sightseek]

6 or 7 countries?

[goodcopy]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

6 or 7 countries?

Canada,United kingdom,France United Arab Emirats,Irerland,United States and I believe Italy

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by goodcopy

Canada,United kingdom,France United Arab Emirats,Irerland,United States and I believe Italy

You do realize that Gio Ponti really isn't Italian don't you?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by goodcopy

Zennatta Step up and race against the best in the world!
She beat grd.1 or grp.1 horses from 6 or 7 country's!
She's undeafeated and 14 for 14!
Rachel had the chance to run against the boy's in the derby and chose the Oaks,She didn't run in the travers and no matter the surfase she chose not to run at the Breeders cup!

lol
she ran vs colts three different times. but she still gets grief for what she didn't do. hilarious.

[slotdirt]

I've been looking through a few of CSC's older posts on this subject, and there are certainly some doozies. His tune has certainly changed since this one from 9/24/09:

I brought this up last month, Summer Bird is the only horse that could knock off RA for HOY, though admittidely it is remote with voters most likely swooning at her this yr. If he can win the JCGC convincingly, and then win the BC convincingly he may sway some votes away from her, in essence it's not enough that he wins these 2 races but do so in an Arazi like fashion.

Zenyatta has zero chance at HOY with her 09 campaign.

Not really illustrative of the anti-Rachel Alexandra bias, but it's telling that six weeks ago, Zenyatta had "zero chance" and now she's his rock-solid choice for horse of the year.

This thread is also a fun one. You can substitute Zenyatta for Summer Bird in nearly every case and it's relatively the same argument:

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...r+bird+trainer

On a complete side note, did anybody notice Jerry Bailey use the word "crossfire" in describing Mastercraftsman's awful move down the stretch on Saturday?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I've been looking through a few of CSC's older posts on this subject, and there are certainly some doozies. His tune has certainly changed since this one from 9/24/09:

I brought this up last month, Summer Bird is the only horse that could knock off RA for HOY, though admittidely it is remote with voters most likely swooning at her this yr. If he can win the JCGC convincingly, and then win the BC convincingly he may sway some votes away from her, in essence it's not enough that he wins these 2 races but do so in an Arazi like fashion.

Zenyatta has zero chance at HOY with her 09 campaign.

Not really illustrative of the anti-Rachel Alexandra bias, but it's telling that six weeks ago, Zenyatta had "zero chance" and now she's his rock-solid choice for horse of the year.

This thread is also a fun one. You can substitute Zenyatta for Summer Bird in nearly every case and it's relatively the same argument:

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...r+bird+trainer

On a complete side note, did anybody notice Jerry Bailey use the word "crossfire" in describing Mastercraftsman's awful move down the stretch on Saturday?

3051 posts and this is it? I'm guilty...

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol
she ran vs colts three different times. but she still gets grief for what she didn't do. hilarious.

its funny that people are saying running in the Woodward instead of the Travers is a knock on Rachel. I mean.. she had already kicked the 3yo colts butts in the Preakness and Haskell.. I guess two times isnt enough? Had to chicken out and take on open company!

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

its funny that people are saying running in the Woodward instead of the Travers in a knock on Rachel. I mean.. she had already kicked the 3yo colts butts in the Preakness and Haskell.. I guess two times isnt enough? Had to chicken out and take on open company!

This was the crux of Jerry Bailey's argument about seven seconds after the Classic on Saturday. Zenyatta is clearly the "establishment" candidate in that regard.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

This was the crux of Jerry Bailey's argument about seven seconds after the Classic on Saturday. Zenyatta is clearly the "establishment" candidate in that regard.

Jerry Bailey sometimes needs to put a foot in his mouth. I mean.. everyone who follows racing knows that pinheads are, well, pinheads. This guy happened to be great at being a pinhead, though a pompous ******* pinhead (from most accounts).. and now that he's a retired pinhead suddenly he knows all?

He belongs on TVG. Though I have always been a Bailey hater.. well at least since Smarty's Belmont.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

its funny that people are saying running in the Woodward instead of the Travers is a knock on Rachel. I mean.. she had already kicked the 3yo colts butts in the Preakness and Haskell.. I guess two times isnt enough? Had to chicken out and take on open company!

So you are saying that the horses she faced in the Woodward were better than the Travers?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by jms62

So you are saying that the horses she faced in the Woodward were better than the Travers?

she already trounced the Travers horses (minus a QR of course)

Yes I am saying a 3yo filly taking on open company is the tougher choice.. I said that back in September also.

I still dont get the whole "travers was so much better than the woodward". The unknown factor of quality road was the only reason that could possibly be said. I mean, look who won the Travers and look what Rachel had done to that winner only weeks prior?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

she already trounced the Travers horses (minus a QR of course)

Yes I am saying a 3yo filly taking on open company is the tougher choice.. I said that back in September also.

They are not as tough as Lethal Heat and Aanaba's Creation!

[slotdirt]

If this poll is indicative of the actual Eclipse awards voting, it would be embarassing. If Jess Jackson is considering bringing back Rachel Alexandra for next year, why bother? You dance every dance, beat all challengers in an historic season for a 3YO filly, and it's not worth the horse of the year award? I'd stick her in the barn and send her to Curlin in six months.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

If this poll is indicative of the actual Eclipse awards voting, it would be embarassing. If Jess Jackson is considering bringing back Rachel Alexandra for next year, why bother? You dance every dance, beat all challengers in an historic season for a 3YO filly, and it's not worth the horse of the year award? I'd stick her in the barn and send her to Curlin in six months.

Basically you would take your bat and go home. Isn't that a tad bit juvenile?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

So you are saying that the horses she faced in the Woodward were better than the Travers?

i think she and others (like me) are saying she'd already beaten the cream of the three year old crop twice, so they chose to cover new ground. zenyatta may be the first distaffer to win the classic.. but don't forget that rachel is the first ever to win the woodward. she's also the first 3 yo filly to win a two turn gr 1 over older males.

[slotdirt]

Don't forget that the Woodward reads like a who's who in horse racing over the last 50 years when one considers that horses like Affirmed, Spectacular Bid, Forego, Kelso, Damascus, Arts and Letters, Seattle Slew and more recently Saint Liam, Ghostzapper, and Skip Away have all won the race. Advantage Rachel Alexandra in terms of historical significance.

[goodcopy]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol
she ran vs colts three different times. but she still gets grief for what she didn't do. hilarious.

I love this fillie and give her all the credit due but the fact remains she did not face a field 1/2 as accomplished as Zennadda

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by goodcopy

I love this fillie and give her all the credit due but the fact remains she did not face a field 1/2 as accomplished as Zennadda

i would disagree. only zenyattas last race included horses that were worth much, and many of them had already faced and been beaten by rachel. the rest were on par with what ran in the woodward.