Summer Bird to Japan Cup Dirt

[Danzig]

how many starts on the year? seven or eight? that's not exactly a gruelling campaign.
he can run in the japan cup and then take a nice long break before starting back next year.

[Travis Stone]

I would probably go too... his races have been spaced out, it's not like he tried all three legs of the Crown and it's dirt, his preferred surface.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Danzig

how many starts on the year? seven or eight? that's not exactly a gruelling campaign.
he can run in the japan cup and then take a nice long break before starting back next year.

Let's examine his year, he started his career on only Mar 1 of this year.

Race 2 - Broke his Mdn on Mar 19
Race 3 - Arkansas Derby on Apr 11
Race 4 - Kentucky Derby on May 2
Race 5 - Belmont on June 6
Race 6 - Haskel on Aug 2
Race 7 - Travers on Aug 29
Race 8 - Jockey Gold Cup on Oct 3
Race 9 - BC Classic on Nov 6
Race 10 - Japan Cup on Dec 6?

Not much time to rest for 2010...and these races hardly resemble Peppers Pride's sheet.

[pba1817]

That is 9 starts in 8 months, including 6 G1's and a G2...

That is a career for most horses...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pba1817

That is 9 starts in 8 months, including 6 G1's and a G2...

That is a career for most horses...

a refreshing change for sure from what we've seen in years' past.

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Danzig

a refreshing change for sure from what we've seen in years' past.

You wont be saying that if come spring time and he is up the track in a few starts...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pba1817

You wont be saying that if come spring time and he is up the track in a few starts...

you strike when the iron is hot. if summer bird seems to have a race in him, they ought to go for it because there's no guarantee what next year will bring. i'd expect summer bird to be the forefront for handicap horses, but who knows?
hey, i got grief when i said nick zito was messing up keeping his three top two year old colts in the barn a few years back, rather than attempt the juvie. he said he wanted to save them for spring. i was told i didn't know as much as him.
none of his colts made the derby that spring.

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you strike when the iron is hot. if summer bird seems to have a race in him, they ought to go for it because there's no guarantee what next year will bring. i'd expect summer bird to be the forefront for handicap horses, but who knows?
hey, i got grief when i said nick zito was messing up keeping his three top two year old colts in the barn a few years back, rather than attempt the juvie. he said he wanted to save them for spring. i was told i didn't know as much as him.
none of his colts made the derby that spring.

Just out of curiosity, has any American runner ever ran good in the Japan Cup Dirt?? AND has any of the runners who ever went come back home to be the same horse?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

Let's examine his year, he started his career on only Mar 1 of this year.

Race 2 - Broke his Mdn on Mar 19
Race 3 - Arkansas Derby on Apr 11
Race 4 - Kentucky Derby on May 2
Race 5 - Belmont on June 6
Race 6 - Haskel on Aug 2
Race 7 - Travers on Aug 29
Race 8 - Jockey Gold Cup on Oct 3
Race 9 - BC Classic on Nov 6
Race 10 - Japan Cup on Dec 6?

Not much time to rest for 2010...and these races hardly resemble Peppers Pride's sheet.

i don't see a problem. there's certainly not much early on for next year, i don't see what the rush would be. and i'd imagine they're going to map a campaign backwards from the bc. plenty of time for a break after japan and before his '10 campaign.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Danzig

how many starts on the year? seven or eight? that's not exactly a gruelling campaign.
he can run in the japan cup and then take a nice long break before starting back next year.

i agree, plus his first few were learning experiences because he had never raced. another race is no big deal. i would be more worried about the travel and the surface. our horses seem to "flop" over there.

[Gander]

Wouldnt it be something if Summer Bird shipped back to NY and faced Quality Road (again) in the Cigar Mile?

Throw in likely starters Bribon and Vineyard Haven, possibly Kodiak Kowboy too and it would be better than any BC race we just saw. A race for the ages. Race of the year if you will.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Gander

Wouldnt it be something if Summer Bird shipped back to NY and faced Quality Road (again) in the Cigar Mile?

Throw in likely starters Bribon and Vineyard Haven, possibly Kodiak Kowboy too and it would be better than any BC race we just saw. A race for the ages. Race of the year if you will.

I don't like it, a one turn mile doesn't really fit his strengths. I really don't see much in the calendar the rest of the year that is too appealing for him, a gr.2 win in the Clark wouldn't add too much to his resume since he is pretty much assured of the 3 yr old male eclispe already. The Malabu? Not a chance, if anything the Dubai World Cup is the most interesting race down the line, the Foster if they want a longer rest for him, I can see him running well there at CD.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by CSC

I don't like it, a one turn mile doesn't really fit his strengths. I really don't see much in the calendar the rest of the year that is too appealing for him, a gr.2 win in the Clark wouldn't add too much to his resume since he is pretty much assured of the 3 yr old male eclispe already. The Malabu? Not a chance, if anything the Dubai World Cup is the most interesting race down the line, the Foster if they want a longer rest for him, I can see him running well there at CD.

Like Summer Bird has a better chance in that race in Japan? And how many of his fans are really even going to watch that race? Him coming to Aqueduct Thanksgiving weekend for another showdown against Quality Road, hopefully this time on a fast track? Quality Road has run at distances that more favor Summer Bird, so why not run at a distance that gives QR a fighting chance?

Okay, I forgot. This isnt about the fans...its about money.

PS- I strongly disagree that Summer Bird wouldnt do well going a one turn mile.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

I don't like it, a one turn mile doesn't really fit his strengths. I really don't see much in the calendar the rest of the year that is too appealing for him, a gr.2 win in the Clark wouldn't add too much to his resume since he is pretty much assured of the 3 yr old male eclispe already. The Malabu? Not a chance, if anything the Dubai World Cup is the most interesting race down the line, the Foster if they want a longer rest for him, I can see him running well there at CD.

i'd think his run at santa anita last saturday would put the kibosh on him going to dubai, since the new track is synthetic.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Gander

Wouldnt it be something if Summer Bird shipped back to NY and faced Quality Road (again) in the Cigar Mile?

Throw in likely starters Bribon and Vineyard Haven, possibly Kodiak Kowboy too and it would be better than any BC race we just saw. A race for the ages. Race of the year if you will.

Summer Bird would get absolutely mauled at 8 furlongs against those horses.

NT

[CSC]

Mine That Bird would be more interesting IMO.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by CSC

Mine That Bird would be more interesting IMO.

Mine that Bird more interesting in the Cigar Mile than Summer Bird would be?
How do you figure that?
What is so interesting about this horse?

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Gander

Mine that Bird more interesting in the Cigar Mile than Summer Bird would be?
How do you figure that?
What is so interesting about this horse?

Most interesting thing... how the trainer has had a broken foot for about 10 months.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Gander

Mine that Bird more interesting in the Cigar Mile than Summer Bird would be?
How do you figure that?
What is so interesting about this horse?

Off his last 2 poly races he could be dismissed at a price, I still think he could be a dangerous horse if he is ridden quietly and if he has a pace to run into... who knows maybe a mile is more his thing rather than a 1 1/4. He hasn't done much since the derby so maybe this is his time.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CSC

Mine That Bird would be more interesting IMO.

he's done for the year.