HOTY: If Zenyatta wins the Classic...

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by TitanSooner

come on, you're embarrassing yourself now.. they're both great horses.

Ex-claimer Furthest Land takes Breeders' Cup Dirt Mile, Mike Maker ...
Nov 7, 2009 ... Furthest Land, who could not win under a $35000 claiming tag at Belmont Park ... owner Ken Ramsey's former claimer Furthest Land proved to be the big dog in ... The win was the first in a Breeders' Cup race for Ramsey, ...
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...ory?id=4632755

Great? She may be the best horse on synthetics but here is just another reason why we cannot take running on rubber and wax seriously. Is Futhest Land a great horse now? Is he the best miler in the country? Is he a champion?
You see what that stuff does to average to below average horses? Its a joke.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Great? She may be the best horse on synthetics but here is just another reason why we cannot take running on rubber and wax seriously. Is Futhest Land a great horse now? Is he the best miler in the country? Is he a champion?
You see what that stuff does to average to below average horses? Its a joke.

Can't you pretty much say the same thing about the turf? There is a long list of horses that weren't much on dirt but excelled on turf. Should we do away with turf racing also?

Did anyone contend that Furthest Land was anything but a perfect trip winner of a mediocre race over a surface that he apparently likes?

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Can't you pretty much say the same thing about the turf? There is a long list of horses that weren't much on dirt but excelled on turf. Should we do away with turf racing also?

Did anyone contend that Furthest Land was anything but a perfect trip winner of a mediocre race over a surface that he apparently likes?

No you cannot say that about the turf, because they dont run the BC DIRT mile on the turf and they dont run the BC Classic on the turf. Turf is Turf they don't try and pass it off as dirt like they do synthetics.
This is a horrible attempt to justify why a horse that couldn't win in 35 claimers in NY just went to the BC run on wax and smoked proven G1 winners on the Dirt.

[slotdirt]

The dirt horses actually fared best - by far - in the "Dirt" Mile than they did in any other of the supposed dirt races on Saturday.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by kgar311

No you cannot say that about the turf, because they dont run the BC DIRT mile on the turf and they dont run the BC Classic on the turf. Turf is Turf they don't try and pass it off as dirt like they do synthetics.
This is a horrible attempt to justify why a horse that couldn't win in 35 claimers in NY just went to the BC run on wax and smoked proven G1 winners on the Dirt.

You seem very angry. It's a shame.

BTW, the Breeder's Cup Dirt Mile hasn't been run on dirt or at a mile since its inception.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Revidere

You seem very angry. It's a shame.

BTW, the Breeder's Cup Dirt Mile hasn't been run on dirt or at a mile since its inception.

It has actually been run on dirt once...sloppy dirt but dirt nonetheless. It has also been run at a mile for the last two years.

I'm already looking forward to the one-turn mile that it's supposed to be next year at CD.

NT

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by Revidere

You seem very angry. It's a shame.

BTW, the Breeder's Cup Dirt Mile hasn't been run on dirt or at a mile since its inception.

I don't know where you get angry from, just amazed that people for a second really feel that horses should be running on wax, plastic used carpet and what ever else they put in that crap, it just isnt natural. Horses have been racing and champions have been crowned on dirt since the inception of horse racing. To think that synthetics have any place in horse racing has to come from a person that really doesnt care about the history of horse racing or hasnt been in the game long enough to know or realize that natural dirt is the only surface that horses, who have been bred for thousands of years to do, should be racing on.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by kgar311

To think that synthetics have any place in horse racing has to come from a person that really doesnt care about the history of horse racing or hasnt been in the game long enough to know or realize that natural dirt is the only surface that horses, who have been bred for thousands of years to do, should be racing on.

Or be from Europe

[Cannon Shell]

And I dont think thoroughbred racing goes back "thousands of years" nor has it always been contested on dirt. You see over in Europe they run on this green stuff called grass....

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by kgar311

natural dirt is the only surface that horses, who have been bred for thousands of years to do, should be racing on.

So now you are saying that we should do away with turf racing.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

So now you are saying that we should do away with turf racing.

The discussion is about dirt racing, keep up.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by kgar311

To think that synthetics have any place in horse racing has to come from a person that really doesnt care about the history of horse racing or hasnt been in the game long enough to know or realize that natural dirt is the only surface that horses, who have been bred for thousands of years to do, should be racing on.

Says who? I never knew you were the sole definitive voice of horseracing.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by kgar311

I don't know where you get angry from, just amazed that people for a second really feel that horses should be running on wax, plastic used carpet and what ever else they put in that crap, it just isnt natural. Horses have been racing and champions have been crowned on dirt since the inception of horse racing. To think that synthetics have any place in horse racing has to come from a person that really doesnt care about the history of horse racing or hasnt been in the game long enough to know or realize that natural dirt is the only surface that horses, who have been bred for thousands of years to do, should be racing on.

Your responses seem like personal attacks. You categorize people as "total jokes" for having a difference of opinion. OPINIONS. Which, by the way, has been what racing has thrived on for "thousands of years". The opinion that my horse is faster than your horse. My opinion is that Zenyatta is a better race horse than Rachel Alexandra. Unfortunately we will never know. You insinuate that people who are in Zenyatta's corner are pro-synthetics or don't care about racing? I've been involved with the game for over 30 years in one way or another so I'm very secure in what I know and understand about it. Frankly, I could care less who wins Horse of the Year. I saw both of them run and I consider myself lucky. It's a fun argument until someone like you comes along.

The history of football also had players in leather helmets.......
I'll leave it up to you to provide the snide comment.

Originally Posted by Revidere

The history of football also had players in leather helmets.......
I'll leave it up to you to provide the snide comment.

That was an utterly f.ucking retarded comparison.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Revidere

Your responses seem like personal attacks. You categorize people as "total jokes" for having a difference of opinion. OPINIONS. Which, by the way, has been what racing has thrived on for "thousands of years". The opinion that my horse is faster than your horse. My opinion is that Zenyatta is a better race horse than Rachel Alexandra. Unfortunately we will never know. You insinuate that people who are in Zenyatta's corner are pro-synthetics or don't care about racing? I've been involved with the game for over 30 years in one way or another so I'm very secure in what I know and understand about it. Frankly, I could care less who wins Horse of the Year. I saw both of them run and I consider myself lucky. It's a fun argument until someone like you comes along.

The history of football also had players in leather helmets.......
I'll leave it up to you to provide the snide comment.

Wll said..If you think Zenyatta is better at 5 then Rachel at 3 you are certainly entitled to your opinion. Zenyaata is wonderful and so is Rachel I could care less which won is better. Like you just glad I saw them both!