Most Likely BC Winner/Single

[Gander]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Summer Bird, Einstein, Quality Road, and Twice Over....no. Gio Ponti a slight, slight chance but I think it would take Zenyatta not running her race and Rip not liking the track. If either/both of those things happen, Gio Ponti has no shot either.

Why does Rip have such a better chance than QR? Neither have been on this surface, and both are very talented animals. QR has never run a bad race. I am not an expert on Euros but QR's figures are every bit as good if not better than what Rip has run.

Missing how one has such a better chance than the other.

This is a new race, its not last year.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Gander

Why does Rip have such a better chance than QR? Neither have been on this surface, and both are very talented animals. QR has never run a bad race. I am not an expert on Euros but QR's figures are every bit as good if not better than what Rip has run.

Missing how one has such a better chance than the other.

This is a new race, its not last year.

true.
in that regard, is the track playing differently then a year ago at this time?

[Gander]

Originally Posted by Danzig

true.
in that regard, is the track playing differently then a year ago at this time?

You're asking the wrong person. I dont like the poly at all. This is the only instance I would even bet anything on it. It looks the same to me....but the horses in this gate are far different than the ones Raven Pass slapped around last year.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Gander

Why does Rip have such a better chance than QR? Neither have been on this surface, and both are very talented animals. QR has never run a bad race. I am not an expert on Euros but QR's figures are every bit as good if not better than what Rip has run.

Missing how one has such a better chance than the other.

This is a new race, its not last year.

I don't think Quality Road wants 10f. I'm sure Rip does. Neither has run on this stuff but it's clear that grass runners transfer form better. Besides the fact that I just think Rip is better.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't think Quality Road wants 10f. I'm sure Rip does. Neither has run on this stuff but it's clear that grass runners transfer form better. Besides the fact that I just think Rip is better.

Thats where we differ. I think QR can handle 10F just fine. He finished very gamely in his last race (also 10F) and that was over a tiring sloppy surface getting beat by a very, very good horse in Summer Bird. This race sets up very well for him, the only obvious question is the poly but Rip has that to answer too.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Gander

Thats where we differ. I think QR can handle 10F just fine. He finished very gamely in his last race (also 10F) and that was over a tiring sloppy surface getting beat by a very, very good horse in Summer Bird. This race sets up very well for him, the only obvious question is the poly but Rip has that to answer too.

I think there's a difference between horses that can handle 10f and those that want it. I think horses like Rip, Summer Bird, Gio Ponti.......and Zenyatta want it. We also saw the JCGC different. I don't think he was so game in that race and I don't think the track was any more tiring for him than for any other horse. I also don't think Summer Bird is very, very good. I think he's been made to appear so by the level of competition out there but compared to what I think actual good horses are, neither of them are very good to me. I'd have loved Quality Road in the Main Track Mile though.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I think there's a difference between horses that can handle 10f and those that want it. I think horses like Rip, Summer Bird, Gio Ponti.......and Zenyatta want it. We also saw the JCGC different. I don't think he was so game in that race and I don't think the track was any more tiring for him than for any other horse. I also don't think Summer Bird is very, very good. I think he's been made to appear so by the level of competition out there but compared to what I think actual good horses are, neither of them are very good to me. I'd have loved Quality Road in the Main Track Mile though.

Its funny you criticize the level of competiton Summer Bird has faced, and you never mention the same criticism when it comes to Zenyatta, who has undeniably been beating up on terrible fields.

Quality Road in the Main Track Mile would have been a heavy favorite so you arent really going out on much of a limb there. I'm glad hes running in a race where you can actually make a bet on him.

I do agree with you on Summer Bird and Gio Ponti wanting 10F more than Quality Road, but I dont think Zenyatta is any more cut out for it than Quality Road.

[johnny pinwheel]

how can anyone say zenyatta will want it? how would you know until saturday. summer bird is not very good? put it this way, i'm willing to bet saturaday that summer bird and quality road are better than these horses. Rip van winkle worries me the most. people are forgeting that the tracks were sloppy both times QR ran a mile and a quarter. i saw him run here prepping for the travers and it WAS the most impressive race of the meet. he stumbled at the start cruised to the front and laughed when captain candy man came to him. the race was so fast they couldn't time it! i'll take him at 9-1 over zenyatta at 2-1 or lower anyday. shes not racing lethal heat and cocoa beach saturday.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Before that post draw, I would have quickly said L.A.L.... Ward says C Ball is gunna be witch, but that's a jock who isn't familiar with the Hill........ Honestly, I can't see where Ventura is better than Inf. Decision. They are close. I guess that people are thinking Inf. Decision won't be quite as good on Pro Ride, or that Ventura isn't quite as good on Poly. People, look how many times Informed Decision has settled for 2nd place. That would be...uh, never. Ventura's best race was here, but the track was favoring her move (the pace did too.) I think these two come to the wire together, and Ventura has already lost to her when they did that. Inf. Decision has never lost on the artificial. Lot of horses don't like Saratoga. Throw out her two races there, and she's won what? 10 of 11 races? Blind Luck will be tough, but I don't know how people can trust T. Baze. I mean dat sonbitch is just as likely to get her stuck, n' run a troubled 2nd. Then, he can turn right around and get some bomb to nip your single in another race. He's a rat. There's no doubt about this. See that Avatar? That's Rat Tyler (smiling after he upsets your single.) SINCE YOU SAID PRICE ISN'T AN ISSUE, I think you gotta go with a Baffert. I'd go with Lucky. He's smart enough to handle the post.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Before that post draw, I would have quickly said L.A.L.... Ward says C Ball is gunna be witch, but that's a jock who isn't familiar with the Hill........ Honestly, I can't see where Ventura is better than Inf. Decision. They are close. I guess that people are thinking Inf. Decision won't be quite as good on Pro Ride, or that Ventura isn't quite as good on Poly. People, look how many times Informed Decision has settled for 2nd place. That would be...uh, never. Ventura's best race was here, but the track was favoring her move (the pace did too.) I think these two come to the wire together, and Ventura has already lost to her when they did that. Inf. Decision has never lost on the artificial. Lot of horses don't like Saratoga. Throw out her two races there, and she's won what? 10 of 11 races? Blind Luck will be tough, but I don't know how people can trust T. Baze. I mean dat sonbitch is just as likely to get her stuck, n' run a troubled 2nd. Then, he can turn right around and get some bomb to nip your single in another race. He's a rat. There's no doubt about this. See that Avatar? That's Rat Tyler (smiling after he upsets your single.) SINCE YOU SAID PRICE ISN'T AN ISSUE, I think you gotta go with a Baffert. I'd go with Lucky. He's smart enough to handle the post.

I think you go two deep in the F&M Sprint and call it a day. One of them will win. No reason to overthink it.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by philcski

I think you go two deep in the F&M Sprint and call it a day. One of them will win. No reason to overthink it.

I might be wrong, but Im using Sarah and Informed as mains and Seventh Street as my back up... Trying to beat Ventura... Not using her on any tickets.
I like your strategy of using 2 and 1 will win, but I like it in the FM Turf... Forever and Midday... I cant see anyone else winning.