Va voters turn on Obama

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Because the people who voted for Obama didn't turn out to vote Dem or for anyone else yesterday

Originally Posted by GBBob

. And Corzine's problems in NJ, and NJ's problems in general were too great for even him to overcome.

I'd be more concerned with who your party is going to run for President 3 years from now and what platform, besides I hate Democrats, they are going to run on. If the economy turns around, and I think it will, the only really tangible issue you will have is the deficit. Now the right is going to roll out all their religious right social issues and trying to tell everyone how to run their lives and all of a sudden, the deficit doesn't seem so bad.

You and other right wingers will never vote Democrat anyway and I sure as hell will never vote Repubilcan, so it will be decided, as always, by the middle 10-15%.

bob there is no guarantee that these people will turn out in '12 , the bloom will be off the rose and he will be seen as just another politician at that point

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by gales0678

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bob there is no guarantee that these people will turn out in '12 , the bloom will be off the rose and he will be seen as just another politician at that point

Trust me...the memories of Dubya will still be fresh and you know that the Dems will be pounding that point 24/7. Before we had to campaign against Reagan and Bush 1..both people I didn't personally care for, but were still very popular figures. You guys pulled Carter, Dukakis and Mondale up every chance you got back then and it worked. You can be sure we will scare the hell out of the Independants by bringing up Rumsfeld, Cheney, Ashcroft etc every chance we can. Your only hope I think is to find a non-traditional Republucan candidate that attracts Independants but doesn't push away the Religious Right. And my money is that the Republicans won't find that guy, or girl.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Trust me...the memories of Dubya will still be fresh and you know that the Dems will be pounding that point 24/7. Before we had to campaign against Reagan and Bush 1..both people I didn't personally care for, but were still very popular figures. You guys pulled Carter, Dukakis and Mondale up every chance you got back then and it worked. You can be sure we will scare the hell out of the Independants by bringing up Rumsfeld, Cheney, Ashcroft etc every chance we can. Your only hope I think is to find a non-traditional Republucan candidate that attracts Independants but doesn't push away the Religious Right. And my money is that the Republicans won't find that guy, or girl.

I obviously hope you are right Bob, but I fear gales may be correct. Look at all of the things we had going for us this time, and all the energy Obama generated among voters who had never participated before, and yet the popular vote was still relatively close.
Will there be that same energy in three years for re-electing an incumbent?
Will the Republicans nominate a ticket as bad as a crusty old man and a mentally handicapped woman again?
I'm not so sure.

Either way, it is still a long ways away, and as a political junkie, 2010 still interests me far more than 2012 at this point.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I obviously hope you are right Bob, but I fear gales may be correct. Look at all of the things we had going for us this time, and all the energy Obama generated among voters who had never participated before, and yet the popular vote was still relatively close.
Will there be that same energy in three years for re-electing an incumbent?
Will the Republicans nominate a ticket as bad as a crusty old man and a mentally handicapped woman again?I'm not so sure.

Either way, it is still a long ways away, and as a political junkie, 2010 still interests me far more than 2012 at this point.

I have great faith in their ability to understimate the intelligence of the American citizen and over estimate the appeal of being a right winger.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Will the Republicans nominate a ticket as bad as a crusty old man and a mentally handicapped woman again?
I'm not so sure.

Either way, it is still a long ways away, and as a political junkie, 2010 still interests me far more than 2012 at this point.

I think the "Conservative Party" is going to split from the GOP, leaving two ineffective parties, unfortunately.

Yes, 2010 will be interesting for politicos

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Trust me...the memories of Dubya will still be fresh and you know that the Dems will be pounding that point 24/7. Before we had to campaign against Reagan and Bush 1..both people I didn't personally care for, but were still very popular figures. You guys pulled Carter, Dukakis and Mondale up every chance you got back then and it worked. You can be sure we will scare the hell out of the Independants by bringing up Rumsfeld, Cheney, Ashcroft etc every chance we can. Your only hope I think is to find a non-traditional Republucan candidate that attracts Independants but doesn't push away the Religious Right. And my money is that the Republicans won't find that guy, or girl.

let me guess in 2005 , you had obama winning in '08 , you and the other 100 so called experts had him in the white house - there is time to find a viable candidate

things are worse today than when obama took office, the deficit is higher , unemployment is higher , the dollar is weaker ,oil is higher , gas px's are higher ,iraq and afgh. are more out of control than they were last year.
to an extent there is a grace peroid that the american people wil give , but , you can't just keep drumming up all "these inherited" problems you are dealing with ....the american people know that you inherited them , what do you think they are stupid and have to keep reminding them ? what the american people will judge obama on is if he improves the country and right now he is failing and his policies are failing .....where is the job creation , where is the growth in gdp (less gov't spending) , why are oil prices going up again ??? these are not bush's problems now they are obama's and i don't see him fixing them

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by gales0678

let me guess in 2005 , you had obama winning in '08 , you and the other 100 so called experts had him in the white house - there is time to find a viable candidate

things are worse today than when obama took office, the deficit is higher , unemployment is higher , the dollar is weaker ,oil is higher , gas px's are higher ,iraq and afgh. are more out of control than they were last year.
to an extent there is a grace peroid that the american people wil give , but , you can't just keep drumming up all "these inherited" problems you are dealing with ....the american people know that you inherited them , what do you think they are stupid and have to keep reminding them ? what the american people will judge obama on is if he improves the country and right now he is failing and his policies are failing .....where is the job creation , where is the growth in gdp (less gov't spending) , why are oil prices going up again ??? these are not bush's problems now they are obama's and i don't see him fixing them

Oil and Gas I'm not sure you have a leg to stand on based on where they were and where they are now. Again..we'll see in 3 1/2 years, not 10 months.

Did you really think everyone you listed would change in 10 months? I'm more upset at what hasn't changed in 10 months..

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Oil and Gas I'm not sure you have a leg to stand on based on where they were and where they are now. Again..we'll see in 3 1/2 years, not 10 months.

Did you really think everyone you listed would change in 10 months? I'm more upset at what hasn't changed in 10 months..

look at where oil was in march , gas too , explain to me how that is bush's fault again?

if it's ok to blame any president about high oil px's as was done from 04 - 08, why can't it be asked what the heck is the guy in wash dc doing about it now?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by gales0678

look at where oil was in march , gas too , explain to me how that is bush's fault again?

if it's ok to blame any president about high oil px's as was done from 04 - 08, why can't it be asked what the heck is the guy in wash dc doing about it now?

I've said in other threads that I really don't think President's should or can be held accountable for oil/gas costs. The only reason I singled out Bush is that he made it a campaign issue by stating that his close allegiances with Texas oil companies could only benefit the country. He also used it as some half assed justification for the war by stating that we will be paid back handsomly in oil for our costs incurred. Has that happened?

[joeydb]

It's funny how people will not just go down the street, handing over half of their paycheck to those who don't work, but will vote for government representatives who will do exactly that to them via the taxcode and social spending.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I've said in other threads that I really don't think President's should or can be held accountable for oil/gas costs. The only reason I singled out Bush is that he made it a campaign issue by stating that his close allegiances with Texas oil companies could only benefit the country. He also used it as some half assed justification for the war by stating that we will be paid back handsomly in oil for our costs incurred. Has that happened?

maybe you , but every liberal media outlet claimed the fix was in when oil prices shot up and that haliburton and the bush family profited directly from oil's rise

now superman is in office and oil px's are up from 50 /bbl range and not a word about it , if you think we live in a country that has an unbiased press you need to go to bellvue in nyc

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I've said in other threads that I really don't think President's should or can be held accountable for oil/gas costs. The only reason I singled out Bush is that he made it a campaign issue by stating that his close allegiances with Texas oil companies could only benefit the country. He also used it as some half assed justification for the war by stating that we will be paid back handsomly in oil for our costs incurred. Has that happened?

maybe you , but every liberal media outlet claimed the fix was in when oil prices shot up and that haliburton and the bush family profited directly from oil's rise

now superman is in office and oil px's are up from 50 /bbl range and not a word about it , if you think we live in a country that has an unbiased press you need to go to bellvue in nyc

[Riot]

Originally Posted by gales0678

things are worse today than when obama took office, the deficit is higher , unemployment is higher , the dollar is weaker ,oil is higher , gas px's are higher ,iraq and afgh. are more out of control than they were last year.

The Great Recession did not turn into the Second Great Depression, the economy is turning around, troops are being brought home from Iraq and that is being winded down, troops were immediately boostered in Afghanistan, major kills against Taliban, and you received a tax cut this year.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Riot

The Great Recession did not turn into the Second Great Depression, the economy is turning around, troops are being brought home from Iraq and that is being winded down, troops were immediately boostered in Afghanistan, major kills against Taliban, and you received a tax cut this year.

where ? if you take out cash for clunkers gdp growth was negative , just where is it that the economy is turning around?

tax cuts??? please expound on that one , everyone's taxes are going up after 2010 when the bush tax cuts expire

2 wars are still being fought with only the finish line showing for one of them

[Riot]

Originally Posted by gales0678

where ? if you take out cash for clunkers gdp growth was negative , just where is it that the economy is turning around?

tax cuts??? please expound on that one , everyone's taxes are going up after 2010 when the bush tax cuts expire

2 wars are still being fought with only the finish line showing for one of them

The economy has stopped it's crash, and is turning around, albeit very slowly. It's a huge barge, not a speedboat <g>

You received a tax cut, already in paychecks, this spring, from this administration.

Yes, there are two wars, and yes, a finish line is showing in Iraq. That's exactly what Obama was elected to do.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Riot

The economy has stopped it's crash, and is turning around, albeit very slowly. It's a huge barge, not a speedboat <g>

You received a tax cut, already in paychecks, this spring, from this administration.

Yes, there are two wars, and yes, a finish line is showing in Iraq. That's exactly what Obama was elected to do.

and what is going to happen next year (2011) to everyone ?????

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

The economy has stopped it's crash, and is turning around, albeit very slowly. It's a huge barge, not a speedboat <g>

You received a tax cut, already in paychecks, this spring, from this administration.

Yes, there are two wars, and yes, a finish line is showing in Iraq. That's exactly what Obama was elected to do.

I think if you told people you were Liberal and not pretended to say you are GOP, you wouldnt be so pathetic on here. You are Liberal through and through and maybe even more liberal than most on this site... you should embrace that instead of have people laugh you off because you claim to be GOP. then maybe your opinion would be worth more than a grain of salt!

btw, you should definately be on Obama's PR staff.

just my opinion of course. have a nice day

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Trust me...the memories of Dubya will still be fresh and you know that the Dems will be pounding that point 24/7. Before we had to campaign against Reagan and Bush 1..both people I didn't personally care for, but were still very popular figures. You guys pulled Carter, Dukakis and Mondale up every chance you got back then and it worked. You can be sure we will scare the hell out of the Independants by bringing up Rumsfeld, Cheney, Ashcroft etc every chance we can. Your only hope I think is to find a non-traditional Republucan candidate that attracts Independants but doesn't push away the Religious Right. And my money is that the Republicans won't find that guy, or girl.

cannonshell in 2012'

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

cannonshell in 2012'

I think the Republican Party is too Liberal for him

[Riot]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Your only hope I think is to find a non-traditional Republucan candidate that attracts Independants but doesn't push away the Religious Right. And my money is that the Republicans won't find that guy, or girl.

The scary thing to me is how willing the ultra-conservatives are to eat their mate. The Democrat Owens won in NY. That's a Democratic congressional seat. Yet the "Conservative Party" - whose candidate lost to the Democrat - is crowing this race was a success, a "win" because the moderate Republican quit the race?