2009 Breeders' Cup

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Gander

I think she has faced nothing but bad field after bad field. I just dont know how you can envision any kind of romp based off any race shes ever run. She would have to: 1) Improve significantly 2) Have the pace go very fast up front 3) Have all of the other closers not fire for this to be a romp.

Again, not saying she isnt at the very least a contender, and hardly the least likely winner, but I am just very surprised by your strong conviction and the words potential romp being used.

I think this is one of the most interesting Classics in a long time. I also dont see any sort of scenario that would make the pace favorable to the deep closers like Zenyatta. I think its won by a front runner or somebody with very good tactical speed like Einstein.

How does facing bad fields make a good horse any less of a good horse? I don't understand that logic. I don't think she has to improve significantly at all, I don't think she is at the mercy of the pace at all, and I don't think any of the other closers are better closers than her.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

How does facing bad fields make a good horse any less of a good horse? I don't understand that logic. I don't think she has to improve significantly at all, I don't think she is at the mercy of the pace at all, and I don't think any of the other closers are better closers than her.

She is amzaingly consistent and talented but it just seems logical to me that if she is all out to beat horses like Life is Sweet and Briecat, she may have a tough time getting up against very accomplished horses like this field has, and I am pretty confident she needs pace help. She may not need it against Briecat but she'll need it here. I just dont see this materializng. We'll see....done talking about this until we see the official entries because I am skeptical we even we'll get the chance to find out.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Gander

She is amzaingly consistent and talented but it just seems logical to me that if she is all out to beat horses like Life is Sweet and Briecat, she may have a tough time getting up against very accomplished horses like this field has, and I am pretty confident she needs pace help. She may not need it against Briecat but she'll need it here. I just dont see this materializng. We'll see....done talking about this until we see the official entries because I am skeptical we even we'll get the chance to find out.

Guess it kinda depends on if you feel she was all out to beat those horses. I don't think she was. And even if she was a couple of starts back, she sure didn't look like it in her last.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Guess it kinda depends on if you feel she was all out to beat those horses. I don't think she was. And even if she was a couple of starts back, she sure didn't look like it in her last.

Her last, I agree, from a visual standpoint, was an impressive paid public workout. It may have been the best race I have seen from her. I just take into account competition as a major factor and even you agree, this is by far her toughest test (thats a huge understatement).

And I do like Awesome Gem, but the way this race is shaping up, I dont think he's the kind of horse who can win without significant help up front. I doubt I will even use him.