2009 Breeders' Cup

[Antitrust32]

I know this is a stupid question and it really shows how little I really care for a BC on fake non-dirt, but when is it? This upcoming weekend or the weekend after?

[slotdirt]

Has anybody considered whether Zenyatta is actually going to like going the full 10 panels?

[Gander]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I know this is a stupid question and it really shows how little I really care for a BC on fake non-dirt, but when is it? This upcoming weekend or the weekend after?

LOL! This is a great post which shows how much this crap has ruined racing and what an insult it is to racing fans that the "big event" is on a fake surface.

Its next weekend by the way. Nov 6-7. Why those dumbasses insist on having half of it on a day (Friday) most people work is beyond me.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Gander

LOL! This is a great post which shows how much this crap has ruined racing and what an insult it is to racing fans that the "big event" is on a fake surface.

Its next weekend by the way. Nov 6-7. Why those dumbasses insist on having half of it on a day (Friday) most people work is beyond me.

You guys are just a bunch of crybabies, all synthetics have done is add another dimension to handicapping and racing. It isn't like the breed has changed because of the surface. Some like it, some hate it.

Some like hard dirt, some like deep sandy surfaces, some like a sealed track and some like water on top of it.

[slotdirt]

Some like to come to the Derby dressed as a pimp and get dual classic winners fully erect. To each their own.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Some like to come to the Derby dressed as a pimp and get dual classic winners fully erect. To each their own.

LOL this is funny! (though Scav is a great guy)

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Scav

You guys are just a bunch of crybabies, all synthetics have done is add another dimension to handicapping and racing. It isn't like the breed has changed because of the surface. Some like it, some hate it.

Some like hard dirt, some like deep sandy surfaces, some like a sealed track and some like water on top of it.

As a third surface I would be fine with them. As a dirt replacement I have MAJOR problems with them, especially with BC dirt races being contested on them.

[Gander]

The list of really nice horses who arent running in the BC because of its track surface speaks volumes.

[Sightseek]

I'm not thrilled with the BC being run on synthetic, but it's still the BC, so I can't wait for it!

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Gander

The list of really nice horses who arent running in the BC because of its track surface speaks volumes.

Who? RA, Macho Again (though really nice, cmon).

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Who? RA, Macho Again (though really nice, cmon).

Indian Blessing, Vineyard Haven, Fabulous Strike...

It isn't just the horses not going, it is also the number that will be compromised by running on synthetics instead of on real dirt.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

As a third surface I would be fine with them. As a dirt replacement I have MAJOR problems with them, especially with BC dirt races being contested on them.

It isn't like dirt is going anywhere, NY will be dirt forever, Churchill isn't going anywhere, Florida isn't going synthetic.....

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Scav

It isn't like dirt is going anywhere, NY will be dirt forever, Churchill isn't going anywhere, Florida isn't going synthetic.....

The problem is the Breeders Cup are supposed to be the championships of the sport. To conduct the championship races on the dirt on a surface that isn't dirt is completely preposterous.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The problem is the Breeders Cup are supposed to be the championships of the sport. To conduct the championship races on the dirt on a surface that isn't dirt is completely preposterous.

So what is going to happen to the synthetic horses next year when it is at Churchill? Then they have something to complain about.

[Buckpasser]

Hey, how about haven't annual awards for every surface (JK). Is this what the game has come to? The more confusion among the public the faster they will leave and go onto something else. The industry has to be more uniform otherwise it will continue to lose customers.

Male Sprinter Dirt Champ:
Male Sprinter Synthetic Champ:
Male Sprinter Grass Champ:

Horse of the Year on Dirt:
Horse of the Year on Synthetic:
Horse of the Year on Grass:

Two-Year-Old Male on Dirt:
Two-Year-Old Male: on Synthetic:
Two-Year-Old Male on Grass:


And so on.......

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Buckpasser

Hey, how about haven't annual awards for every surface (JK). Is this what the game has come to? The more confusion among the public the faster they will leave and go onto something else. The industry has to be more uniform otherwise it will continue to lose customers.

Male Sprinter Dirt Champ:
Male Sprinter Synthetic Champ:
Male Sprinter Grass Champ:

Horse of the Year on Dirt:
Horse of the Year on Synthetic:
Horse of the Year on Grass:

Two-Year-Old Male on Dirt:
Two-Year-Old Male: on Synthetic:
Two-Year-Old Male on Grass:


And so on.......

There are probably some horses that are faster on pavement so we better clear a spot in the parking lot for them to race on. We'll need to add swimming as well.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Scav

You guys are just a bunch of crybabies, all synthetics have done is add another dimension to handicapping and racing. It isn't like the breed has changed because of the surface. Some like it, some hate it.

Some like hard dirt, some like deep sandy surfaces, some like a sealed track and some like water on top of it.

that last sentence is so stupid Scav. Why not say some dirt champions like turf? thats what this crap is, and alternative turf surface. It is far more like a turf surface than a dirt surface. You think its cool and okay that all the Turf stars wont even be running in THEIR OWN race because the Classic fits them just as well!?!?




Yeah.. lets run the Classic, the premier dirt race in the WORLD, over tires and condoms for two freaking years in a row! Its ridiculous, and like Gander said, the list of the horses who wont be running because of the surface proves how garbage it really is.

This is like the Division I-AA Breeders Cup.

I am not excited at all about this and wont be. Of course I'm going to watch it, because its like one of 5 times during the year that racing is even on TV! Not going to bet on it though, unless freaky stuff happens and the Euro turf stars have high odds.. then I just want the free money.

[Alan07]

2009 Breeders' Cup World Championships (All Eastern)
Friday, November 6 Race No. Post Bet Types
Santa Anita Race 1 2:15 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 4
Santa Anita Race 2 2:50 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3
Marathon 3 3:35 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 6, JB
Juv. Fillies Turf 4 4:10 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3
Juv. Fillies 5 4:45 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 4
FM Turf 6 5:25 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 4
FM Sprint 7 6:00 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3
Distaff 8 6:45 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, SP DD, PEN
Las Palmas H. 9 7:25 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER

Saturday, November 7 Race No. Post Bet Types
Damascus 1 1:05 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3
Juv. Turf 2 1:45 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 4
Turf Sprint 3 2:25 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3
Sprint 4 3:10 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 6
Juvenile 5 3:50 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3
Turf Mile 6 4:30 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 4
Mile 7 5:10 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 4
Turf 8 5:58 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3
Classic 9 3:45 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, PEN, DD
Oak Tree Derby 10 4:25 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER

WPS = Win, Place, Show
EX = Exacta
TRI = Triple
SUPER = Superfecta
DD = Daily Double (No DD on Races 8-9 Fri.)
SP DD = Special Daily Double
SUPER HI 5 – Super High 5
PICK # = Pick Wagers
JB = Jockey Bet (Win Only)*

CHRB Rules apply for wagering with field sizes
*Bet may not be offered at all simulcast sites

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Him winning at 1 1/4 and her winning at 1 1/8th means nothing for either horse's HOY chances. this "classic" distance thing is out dated.

So far, Summer Bird has not faced "far better horses" at all. And only will in the BC because of some good turfers who are running on a alternate turf surface.

I like Summer Bird quite a bit, eventhough i am a Rachel homer. I also think a Summer Bird BC win would make him a MUCH better HOY selection instead of a Zenyatta BC winner. But neither have a chance against Rachel.

But lets revisit this after the BC, because most likely SB will not win (not because he's not the best.. he is probably the best pre-entry in that race.. but because of the surface), and if he DOES win then we can bring this subject back up.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I know this is a stupid question and it really shows how little I really care for a BC on fake non-dirt, but when is it? This upcoming weekend or the weekend after?

you are the best Lori!

Originally Posted by Gander

LOL! This is a great post which shows how much this crap has ruined racing and what an insult it is to racing fans that the "big event" is on a fake surface.

Its next weekend by the way. Nov 6-7. Why those dumbasses insist on having half of it on a day (Friday) most people work is beyond me.

Would you rather they take on the goliath known as the NFL instead?