Steve Asmussen in synthetic track stake races

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

I wonder how many of those starters he had at PID?

He's 2-for-21 total in stakes race at PID.

0-for-14 at Keeneland

2-for-14 at Turfway

1-for-18 at Arlington

3-for-46 at Woodbine

0-for-4 at Santa Anita

1-for-4 at Hollywood

0-for-1 at Del Mar

[Riot]

PID horses are coming in and killing at Keeneland.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Riot

PID horses are coming in and killing at Keeneland.

PID doesn't have the reputation with the common bettor of an Arlington Park ... but it's one of very few summer tracks that offer synthetic racing.

I think a combo of those two factors alone are the reason why a lot of people seem surprised yet again by how well the PID horses have performed at Keeneland.

I think if you asked people which female horse ran the highest Beyer in a race at PID this year ... they'd have said Informed Decision.

If you asked them which horse had the highest Beyer in the history of PID in a two-turn race. They'd have probably guessed at one of the winners of the Presque Isle Mile .. the 250K stake race for older males.

Satan's Quick Chick was actually the answer for both questions though. She had a 100 in an alw race two starts back - Informed Decision only ran a 95 in her Masters win. The three Presque Isle Mile winners were Independant George (83), Summer Doldrums (94), and Cherokee Artist (95)

She had that big PID number two starts back, and a big trip excuse last time, I'm not so sure you would have been able to get quite her 23/1 odds to win that Grade 2 at KEE last weekend if those races weren't at PID.


There have been 5 triple digit Beyers in the history of PID racing.

1. 2007 Indian Chant (105) 5.5fs
2. 2007 Miss Macy Sue (103) 6fs
3. 2009 Street Magician (102) 5.5f
4. 2008 Fatal Bullet (100) 6fs
5. 2009 Satans Quick Chick (100) Mile and 70 yards


Here are the top Beyers ever run at the major American synthetic tracks

Santa Anita: Midnight Lute (112)
Hollywood Park: Rail Trip (111)
Del Mar: Tie between Zensational & Cost of Freedom (110)
Turfway: Hard Spun (109)
Keeneland: Silent Name (109)
Arlington: Spotsgone (107)


PID might be home to some of the most retarded executives in horse racing history ... but the racing is respectable thanks to the slots.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by Riot

PID horses are coming in and killing at Keeneland.

yeah, i wish i could do the "back to the future part 2" thing

[pointman]

why doesn't the juice work on synthetic tracks?

[eajinabi]

whats his stats on synthetic overall?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Overall on synthetic:

1,149-168-158-159 - ($1.25 ROI) - 14.6% wins

Overall on dirt this decade:

15,050-3,548-2,658-2,182 - ($1.66 ROI) - 23.6% wins


Here's a comparison of Asmussen's stats on Keeneland dirt versus Keeneland synthetic.

Overall KEE Synthetic: 17-for-136 ($1.27 ROI) 12.5% wins
Overall KEE Dirt: 63-for-327 ($1.84 ROI) 19.3% wins

KEE 4.5 furlong 2yo races Synthetic: 10-for-40 ($2.52 ROI) 25.0% wins
KEE 4.5 furlong 2yo races Dirt: 16-for-62 ($2.88 ROI) 25.8% wins

KEE all races except 4.5f 2yo races Synthetic: 7-for-96 ($0.75 ROI) 7.3%
KEE all races except 4.5f 2yo races Dirt: 47-for-265 ($1.60 ROI) 17.7%

KEE all two-turn Synthetic races: 0-for-23 ($0.00 ROI) 0.0% wins
KEE all two-turn Dirt races: 9-for-44 ($2.48 ROI) 20.5% wins


I think this breakdown is very telling of what's going on.

Asmussen remains very dominant and profitable on synthetic with his 2yo's going 4.5 furlongs at KEE.

However, he struggles badly in the synthetic races beyond 4.5fs in distance.. and is downright terrible in the races a mile or further. He's never even won a race at Keeneland on synthetic beyond a mile.

Synthetic racing is mostly about being able to finish.

Go watch last years Breeders Cup Classic. Pay attention to how flat 4th place finisher Curlin was in the stretch run. Pay attention to how flat 11th place finisher Student Council was the entire race.

Asmussen won 2 Horse of the Year's with Curlin on dirt. Student Council ran just 3 times on dirt for Asmussen .. a Grade 1 win in the Pimlico Special, a Grade 2 win in the Hawthorne Gold Cup, and a 112 Beyer 2nd place finish in the Whitney.

Go watch last years Blue Grass Stakes. Pyro always comes with something late on dirt. He was a flat 10th by 11.5 lengths to Monba at even money.

[MISTERGEE]

The stats are great but did I miss it or do we know why Asmussen, Dutrow dont win on synthetic?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

By the way ... I thought Amen Hallujah would win the Alcibiates because she had good figures at Arlington in a MCL race and opt Claimer when Asmussen trained her ... and she was going 1st time Dutrow.

Amen Hall ran 3rd at 10/1 odds despite being extremely wide on both turns. She was also a Montbrook out of Concorde's Tune stretching way out in distance and trying a route for the 1st time.

Still... it was very puzzling to me how a horse can go from all Asmussen synthetic races ... to 1st time Dutrow and not run off the screen.

But looking at Dutrow Jr.'s syn stats ... it's too early to tell, but he doesn't exactly seem to have the surface figured out himself.


Rick Dutrow Jr. in all synthetic track races:

2009 - 6-0-1-2 ($0.00)
2008 - 6-0-1-0 ($0.00)
2007 - 22-1-2-7 ($0.24)
2006 - 5-1-0-1 ($0.76)
2005 - 0-0-0-0 (-----)


Lifetime: 2-for-39 ($0.23 ROI)

In stakes races: 10-0-0-2


His two 3rds coming with Amen Hall and Stardom Bound at Keeneland. Kip Deville only managed an 8th place finish in his one synthetic try in a race won by the immortal Buzzard's Bay.