Hall of Fame? Yes or No

[SCUDSBROTHER]

If VLADE hits it out right now(against Rivera,) then I'll change my vote.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

What the hell. He knocked in a run against a future HOF reliever. He's had 3 hits in a big post game. I change my vote.

Vladimar Guerrero (Ricky Retardo)- YES

[hockey2315]

Ichiro - duh

Vlad Guerrero - yes

Jim Thome - no

John Smoltz - yes

Johnny Damon - umm no

Trevor Hoffman - yes

Todd Helton - yes

Chipper Jones - probably

Bobby Abreu - no

Gary Sheffield - can't be objective

Miguel Tejada - umm no

Andy Pettite - maybe

[onebadbeast]

go yankees!! go cheese fries!!

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

What the hell. He knocked in a run against a future HOF reliever. He's had 3 hits in a big post game. I change my vote.

Vladimar Guerrero (Ricky Retardo)- YES

Nobody on the Angels wanted to sept up and play the game.

Sad thing was that if Vlad had hit a timely homer to win the game last night and the Angels went on to win game 7 he still had a chance to be MVP. Now that was sad.

Vlad is out of here along with Chone "I Cant hit when it counts" Figgins.

Anybody need Gary Mathew jr??????????

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Nobody on the Angels wanted to sept up and play the game.

Sad thing was that if Vlad had hit a timely homer to win the game last night and the Angels went on to win game 7 he still had a chance to be MVP. Now that was sad.

Vlad is out of here along with Chone "I Cant hit when it counts" Figgins.

Anybody need Gary Mathew jr??????????

Well, Vlad had 14 hits (with 3 doubles, and a home run) and 7 RBI in this post. He had 7 hits n' 4 walks in last years post (but just 1 extra-base hit, and no RBI.) The last 2 years, he has a .474 obp in the post. He has now elevated his post-season batting average to a respectable .286. He will go into the Hall with just 6 post season extra-base hits, and no ring. He did enough (with decaying skills) in this post for me to say he's a HOFamer, but his lack of intellect (and plate discipline) kept him from being the difference maker he should of been. A classic example of that was shown last night. He reaches for an outside pitch about 5 inches off the ground, and somehow gets a bloop double. If he takes that pitch for a ball, then he might of had a chance to get a better pitch to hit. One that could of been put in the seats. The game also has an example of his low intellect. Nobody should ever be standing between 1st n' 2nd when a no-out pop fly is being caught in short right field. This game is a good example of this guy's skill, but it's also a great example of someone who is pretty stupid. Takes a lot of talent to get a stupid person into the HOF.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well, Vlad had 14 hits (with 3 doubles, and a home run) and 7 RBI in this post. He had 7 hits n' 4 walks in last years post (but just 1 extra-base hit, and no RBI.) The last 2 years, he has a .474 obp in the post. He has now elevated his post-season batting average to a respectable .286. He will go into the Hall with just 6 post season extra-base hits, and no ring. He did enough (with decaying skills) in this post for me to say he's a HOFamer, but his lack of intellect (and plate discipline) kept him from being the difference maker he should of been.

I love when people talk about no rings as a negative for a player. Like the other 24 guys on the team dont share a part in the good or bad. It is baseball, not golf or tennis.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I love when people talk about no rings as a negative for a player. Like the other 24 guys on the team dont share a part in the good or bad. It is baseball, not golf or tennis.

That's more true with mediocre n' good players. All great players want to win a ring. There came a point where great players were able to move by free agency to more competitive teams. Barry Bonds, and Vlade Guerrero are the two best examples of guys (with HOF credentials) that had chances to put their teams over the top, and failed. Don't tell me they didn't have the chance. In 2005, Vlade had the chance, and provided nothing against the Chisox. Last night, the Yanks were up by 2 runs. There were 2 outs in the 8th, and a man on 2nd base. A HOF type hitter is thinking what in that situation? If there were no outs, I could understand his approach, but with 2 outs, he has to be trying to hit something very hard. Like a Pujols would be doing. No, he settles for punching it somewhere. They're still down a run, and a great player (in that situation) doesn't leave it up to someone else. There went his shot. He settled, and he will live out his days looking at the rings on his Dominican Friends. His 1st two years with the Halos were the years he sure could of gotten a ring if he played like a great player does(when they want a ring.) AROD, TEX, Burnett, and C.C. are all good, (or great) players. They all moved from lesser teams to this one. If you're a great player, it earns you that right. Maybe it didn't 30-40 years ago, but now it does. It's less true with the borderline HOF candidates (like your boy Biggio.) There again though, he had his chances, too. He didn't step up. He hit .222 against the Chisox. If he had 2-4 hits per game, and they lost, then your point would be in play. Fact is you aren't that big on hitting in the post, or getting rings. So, you're gunna use every excuse possible for them not performing well enough to get a ring. Believe me, if Biggio hit like a great player in the World Series, then he would have a ring. They had the pitching, and defense. Bonds came very close to getting a ring. Lets face it, that was an uptight locker room due to him, and Kent. LOL..Two a-holes on the same team. That's another future HOFamer(Kent) that would have a ring if he wasn't an a-hole type person. There's four that came very close, but something about them(to me Biggio is good not great) kept them from getting that ring. Now, lets see who steps up this time, and demands their fkn ring. See? AROD has his chance. Great players will usually get their chance for that ring. The pitching on both sides is good. So, this is when great players can dominate, because they have the pitching n' defense to hold a lead (if they step up to score runs.) Part of the reason you don't think great players can necessarily get a ring is because you tend to like grinders. They usually aren't impactful enough to get a ring. That's Biggio. Ichiro could easily have signed with a competitive team in 2007. Right? He should have, but he fkd up (he thought that the Mariners were getting close to being really good.) There ya go. All of the deserving ones on your list had a shot. Even if people like Helton. He had his shot in 2007.

[alysheba4]

i know he isnt on the original list but when healthy, larry walker was as good as any player on that list.......when healthy in 1997 his year was as good as anyone in the history of baseball.