Obama's job approval

[pointman]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

I don't think people should die because they can't afford health insurance.

People are denied health insurance all the time because greedy private companies won't insure someone with a pre-existing condition.

So if that someone dies because she couldn't get insurance in time and therefore could not afford quick treatment, that's not our problem right? As long as we keep that extra few dollars? Better someone else than me?

What if that someone with a pre existing condition had emergency surgery one day. Let's say it was for an appendix surgery, but she can't pay it off because the bill was in the $10,000s. All health insurance companies denied her previously and she had a crummy job that didn't pay much. Is that fair?

Are we to care more about saving money than a human life?

Should there even be public schools? Why not just make all of them private while we are at it. Did YOU go to a public school or college?

Should the government control our water supply? Why not make that private as well

Why have public protection? Think of all the money we could save with private police officers nationwide! I'm sure they'll have our best interests at heart if that were to happen.

Why have fire fighters? When cities are burning down because of wild brush fires, think of all the money we could save if private fire fighters did the job instead!

You really are a true democrat, don't let facts get in your way. First, why can't we consider the cost of what Obama is proposing? Here are some facts, 90% of Americans have health insurance. Of the 10% that do not have health insurance, 5% of those can afford to have health insurance and choose not to. That leaves 5% of Americans uninsured and our great President wants to spend over a trillion dollars with his proposal to insure those people. By the way, a large part of that 5% that are uninsured are young healthy individuals who are not in the workforce long enough to get healthcare. The point is that his proposals are unrealistic, too expensive and will be costly, and the costs will be passed onto the taxpayers.

What happened to Obama's transparency? He stated that he would release his proposals on his website for all to see, yet now he tries to shove it through Congress for no one to see, then tries to place much of the cost under other bills to claim that it costs less than it really does, and vastly underestimates the actual costs of his bill. He obviously thinks that people are stupid, but Americans are waking up in droves and a majority are now against his proposals.

The notion that people with life threatening conditions don't get healthcare is a fallacy. Emergency rooms cannot turn down treatment to people with life threatening conditions. Most public areas have a State or county run hospital which provides free services to those who are uninsured.

I don't think anyone here is saying that the healthcare system doesn't need reform, but many of us are against socializing medicine and don't believe the costs justify do so. Socializing healthcare will cost Americans one way or another in either increased premiums or increased taxes, and those taxes will fall on the middle class that Obama promised not to tax. Many of us do not believe that taxing and spending in this economy is a good move, but that is what the democrats want to do. Herbert Hoover tried this solution and look where it got this country.


As has already been pointed out, the States or local municipal governments, through our taxes, which we are already paying and are fine with, provide education, police, firefighters and even free medical care!

Oh yeah, those greedy insurance companies. Just another democratic lie. The actual facts are that they average approximately 2%, well below other industries. And those profits did not balloon during the Bush years as Obama/Pelosi would have you believe. Here is a link to the true facts:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

I guess we should socialize that greedy railroad industry, after all they are making a 12.6% profit a year! How about network and communications, those greedy bastards are making a 20.4% profit!

Obama is a disaster as is Pelosi. Only the truly stupid still defend Obama at this point.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by pointman

Obama is a disaster as is Pelosi. Only the truly stupid still defend Obama at this point.

Agree or disagree, it's really refreshing to me to see all you guys finally remembering how to pay attention to what the President is doing and actually caring what he's up to.

Thought you had all forgotten. Or maybe the ability to pay attention and think critically just goes in 8-year cycles.

A+!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Agree or disagree, it's really refreshing to me to see all you guys finally remembering how to pay attention to what the President is doing and actually caring what he's up to.

Thought you had all forgotten. Or maybe the ability to pay attention and think critically just goes in 8-year cycles.

A+!

Blame Bush. That is one finger down. liberal fastball.

It's almost the same as when Republicans blamed Clinton for everything. Only this time it's extra douchier.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Blame Bush. That is one finger down. liberal fastball.

Um, no. That's not "blame Bush," although the way you invoke that saying even when nobody is blaming Bush makes me think that you really believe that just saying "Blame Bush" gets you out of anything.

To be more succinct, it's not "Blaming Bush" to blame YOU for not giving a $hit about what the President is doing unless a Democrat is in office.

That's your inconsistency, which we've covered in great detail here in the past, so I need not do it again - but if it serves you well to consider an entirely inaccurate use of "Blame Bush" as your get out of jail free card for not having to be responsible for your own glaring hypocrisy, then by all means, carry on.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Um, no. That's not "blame Bush," although the way you invoke that saying even when nobody is blaming Bush makes me think that you really believe that just saying "Blame Bush" gets you out of anything.

To be more succinct, it's not "Blaming Bush" to blame YOU for not giving a $hit about what the President is doing unless a Democrat is in office.

That's your inconsistency, which we've covered in great detail here in the past, so I need not do it again - but if it serves you well to consider an entirely inaccurate use of "Blame Bush" as your get out of jail free card for not having to be responsible for your own glaring hypocrisy, then by all means, carry on.

can i be your timmi?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Um, no. That's not "blame Bush," although the way you invoke that saying even when nobody is blaming Bush makes me think that you really believe that just saying "Blame Bush" gets you out of anything.

To be more succinct, it's not "Blaming Bush" to blame YOU for not giving a $hit about what the President is doing unless a Democrat is in office.

That's your inconsistency, which we've covered in great detail here in the past, so I need not do it again - but if it serves you well to consider an entirely inaccurate use of "Blame Bush" as your get out of jail free card for not having to be responsible for your own glaring hypocrisy, then by all means, carry on.

Get off your soapbox. I'm not exactlysure what I need to get out of?
The fact is that you want to belittle anything negative said about Obama or his "plan" and are deflecting from the issue with your comments about the last 8 years and our not actively complaining enough to make you happy. That is simply a diversionary tactic that you and others have used quite consistently.

I am not the issue here and do not need a get out of jail free card. Calling me a hypocrite amuses me. Here is a definition:
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion. Well this doesnt seem to be the case

2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings Nor does this.

Maybe I am something else?

Again your post was typical liberal nonsense as was your follow up. Pointman and I and you arent the issue and you know it. Call me all the names you want but that doesnt change the fact that Obama is a mistake.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Get off your soapbox. I'm not exactlysure what I need to get out of?
The fact is that you want to belittle anything negative said about Obama or his "plan" and are deflecting from the issue with your comments about the last 8 years and our not actively complaining enough to make you happy. That is simply a diversionary tactic that you and others have used quite consistently.

I am not the issue here and do not need a get out of jail free card. Calling me a hypocrite amuses me. Here is a definition:
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion. Well this doesnt seem to be the case

2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings Nor does this.

Maybe I am something else?

Again your post was typical liberal nonsense as was your follow up. Pointman and I and you arent the issue and you know it. Call me all the names you want but that doesnt change the fact that Obama is a mistake.

So disingenuous.

But, to be fair, also totally expected.

Well played.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

So disingenuous.

But, to be fair, also totally expected.

Well played.

First you misrepresented with hypocrite. Now disingenuous? What is going on with your vocabulary?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Blame Bush. That is one finger down. liberal fastball.

I'm still searching for all the right wing posts from pre..umm..8 months ago. I know they are there somewhere because Repubilicans care about THEIR country so much more than anyone else so I'm sure they were busy posting before a Democrat became President but I keep looking for the Republican posts before a Dem became President but all I can find is...


nothing

Originally Posted by GBBob

I'm still searching for all the right wing posts from pre..umm..8 months ago. I know they are there somewhere because Repubilicans care about THEIR country so much more than anyone else so I'm sure they were busy posting before a Democrat became President but I keep looking for the Republican posts before a Dem became President but all I can find is...


nothing

So lets all be disingenuous from now on (in other words fair and balanced) and make negative posts in the future about a politician we actually tolerate because they fall in our respected party just to save face on a god damn message board.

See you two are bringing this bulls.hit up because your boy (and no not in the old school sense of the word) is a f.ucking disaster only 9 months into his Presidency.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

So lets all be disingenuous from now on (in other words fair and balanced) and make negative posts in the future about a politician we actually tolerate because they fall in our respected party just to save face on a god damn message board.

See you two are bringing this bulls.hit up because your boy (and no not in the old school sense of the word) is a f.ucking disaster only 9 months into his Presidency.

No man...just care as much when your "boy" was f.u.c.k.i.n up as much as when you think our "boy" is.

And if Obama and his cabinet hadn't done what they did, the RIGHT would have a whole lot more to whine about than they already do, which is hard to believe because there ain't any bigger crybabies now than the Republicans.

Originally Posted by GBBob

No man...just care as much when your "boy" was f.u.c.k.i.n up as much as when you think our "boy" is.

And if Obama and his cabinet hadn't done what they did, the RIGHT would have a whole lot more to whine about than they already do, which is hard to believe because there ain't any bigger crybabies now than the Republicans.

I never voted for George Bush so you can't lump me in either party because I don't fall for the bulls.hit like the majority of this country. I blame all of you for being brainwashed into believing we're stuck permanently in a two-party system.

The democrats and republicans are equally responsible for this mess.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by GBBob

No man...just care as much when your "boy" was f.u.c.k.i.n up as much as when you think our "boy" is.

And if Obama and his cabinet hadn't done what they did, the RIGHT would have a whole lot more to whine about than they already do, which is hard to believe because there ain't any bigger crybabies now than the Republicans.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

So lets all be disingenuous from now on (in other words fair and balanced) and make negative posts in the future about a politician we actually tolerate because they fall in our respected party just to save face on a god damn message board.

See you two are bringing this bulls.hit up because your boy (and no not in the old school sense of the word) is a f.ucking disaster only 9 months into his Presidency.

No, it's just that all of this smacks of intellectual dishonesty. The problem with Chuck is that it's all "We care about spending money, we're fiscally conservative....unless it's our guy. We care about transparency....unless it's our guy."

We'll see if "our" boy turns out to be a disaster. The guy before has already been spoken for as an overwhelming disaster, at least Obama still has time to salvage the ship.

Me, like I've said all along, I'll continue to wait and see how things turn out and take responsibility for my vote then, and it should be easy, considering the wildly unmitigated obvious disaster you all claim we're heading into. Time will tell.

At least I'm consistent. I make no qualms about how liberal I'd like him to be and what I'd like to see happen. I don't pretend I give a $hit about money and about morals etc, when your guy is President but then stop when my guy's President. It's not my consistency that's up for debate here.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

No, it's just that all of this smacks of intellectual dishonesty. The problem with Chuck is that it's all "We care about spending money, we're fiscally conservative....unless it's our guy. We care about transparency....unless it's our guy."

We'll see if "our" boy turns out to be a disaster. The guy before has already been spoken for as an overwhelming disaster, at least Obama still has time to salvage the ship.

Me, like I've said all along, I'll continue to wait and see how things turn out and take responsibility for my vote then, and it should be easy, considering the wildly unmitigated obvious disaster you all claim we're heading into. Time will tell.

At least I'm consistent. I make no qualms about how liberal I'd like him to be and what I'd like to see happen. I don't pretend I give a $hit about money and about morals etc, when your guy is President but then stop when my guy's President. It's not my consistency that's up for debate here.

I DIDNT AGREE WITH A LOT OF BUSH'S FISCAL POLICY. I HATE SARBANNES-OXLEY. I AM PISSED THAT BUSH SPENT SO MUCH. I AM PISSED THAT BUSH DIDNT TAKE THE GLOVES OFF THE TROOPS AND GET THAT MESS OVER WITH A WHOLE LOT FASTER AND GIVE THZE IRANIANS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

There is that enough?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I'm still searching for all the right wing posts from pre..umm..8 months ago. I know they are there somewhere because Repubilicans care about THEIR country so much more than anyone else so I'm sure they were busy posting before a Democrat became President but I keep looking for the Republican posts before a Dem became President but all I can find is...


nothing

Let's be fair here, Democrats had no problem voicing their dissent during the entire 8 years Bush was President, those of us who are not satisfied with the current President's decisions certainly have a right to express it.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by pointman

Let's be fair here, Democrats had no problem voicing their dissent during the entire 8 years Bush was President, those of us who are not satisfied with the current President's decisions certainly have a right to express it.

No, let's actually be fair -- this is a total straw man that intentionally misrepresents the position Bob is taking here.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by pointman

Let's be fair here, Democrats had no problem voicing their dissent during the entire 8 years Bush was President, those of us who are not satisfied with the current President's decisions certainly have a right to express it.

that wasn't his point.

i publicly voiced my dissent with the current admin's decision to freeze out fox news a few days ago.

like bob, i've been wondering where all the this manufactured "dissent" from the right was earlier.

you can't really expect that no one noticed, can you?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I'm still searching for all the right wing posts from pre..umm..8 months ago. I know they are there somewhere because Repubilicans care about THEIR country so much more than anyone else so I'm sure they were busy posting before a Democrat became President but I keep looking for the Republican posts before a Dem became President but all I can find is...


nothing

I take the fact that you think enough of Republicians that you would expect them to overlook silly issues and horrible policies and act in a bipartisan manner. Sorry we let you down. Unfortunately I dont have that same feelings about the Democrats.

And I wish these were simply petty party issues. If Obama was a great President who did great things then hell I may have been converted. I have no ties or political aspirations tied to the GOP. I have been hyper-critical of the GOP in KY state matters, above and beyond the slots issue. However to quote the great Denny Green,"Obama is who we thought he is"

In other words a typical, phoney, overmatched liberal who is so torn between his own personal leanings and his wanting to be able to be reelected that he has come up with the worst of all worlds. A semi-socialist agenda that has delivered the goods to unions at the expense of the country but has pissed off the rest of the radical left because they havent gotten their sick ideas pushed because Obama knows that in the end that will make him one and done. He isnt even true to the people who brung him there. Dont get me wrong as I would hate to see the whole country become as dysfunctional and divisive as liberal havens CA and NY, but hey at least Bush was loyal to his guys.