10/24 (LRL): $300,000 Frank J. De Francis Memorial Dash (G1)

[Gander]

I disagree, I thought he had every chance to draw off and win this race by more than he did, I dont think the trip was that bad for a horse thats "an elite talent"...I agree with Rock Hard Ten here and personally would have been betting with both fists against him. Turns out I am glad I didnt bet but by no means was it stupid to try and beat this horse. If you keep playing horses like Vineyard Haven at 4/5, you'll end up taking a huge beating.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Gander

I disagree, I thought he had every chance to draw off and win this race by more than he did, I dont think the trip was that bad for a horse thats "an elite talent"...I agree with Rock Hard Ten here and personally would have been betting with both fists against him. Turns out I am glad I didnt bet but by no means was it stupid to try and beat this horse. If you keep playing horses like Vineyard Haven at 4/5, you'll end up taking a huge beating.

If you keep playing against horses like this against grade 3 animals you will surely lose...thats my point, who says you have to play him, cant you pass the race?

Now Mrs Kipling later at SA, now thats a fav to bet against.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Gander

I disagree, I thought he had every chance to draw off and win this race by more than he did, I dont think the trip was that bad for a horse thats "an elite talent"...I agree with Rock Hard Ten here and personally would have been betting with both fists against him. Turns out I am glad I didnt bet but by no means was it stupid to try and beat this horse. If you keep playing horses like Vineyard Haven at 4/5, you'll end up taking a huge beating.

If you keep playing him at those odds against good horses, I agree. When he should be 8/5 and instead he's 4/5, you'll end up on the short end. But against fields like today, where he should be 1/2, you'll end up ahead if he keeps going off at 4/5.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

If you keep playing him at those odds against good horses, I agree. When he should be 8/5 and instead he's 4/5, you'll end up on the short end. But against fields like today, where he should be 1/2, you'll end up ahead if he keeps going off at 4/5.

Agree 100% with your logic, just not this particular case.

[Indian Charlie]

I have a theory as to why Godolphin horses are suddenly running how they are expected to run.

That numbnut that's listed as trainer, Big Ben Suroor, he's actually been based in Europe since Summer, so someone else is doing the hands on training this year.

[hockey2315]

Pretty sure he has always been based abroad. . . and Rick Metee has been their North American trainer.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Pretty sure he has always been based abroad. . . and Rick Metee has been their North American trainer.

Yeah, I wasn't too sure about this. Hence it being just a theory.

I know he would be based elsewhere during the winter months, but wasn't sure if he came here during peak racing season.

He always seemed to be around though, so thought that perhaps he was here.

If you have ever had the pleasure of hearing him talk, you'd be able to see how I came up with my theory.

[hockey2315]

I've talked to him before. I know what you mean.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I have a theory as to why Godolphin horses are suddenly running how they are expected to run.

That numbnut that's listed as trainer, Big Ben Suroor, he's actually been based in Europe since Summer, so someone else is doing the hands on training this year.

Facepalm.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Facepalm.

Yeah, I admit it's thin, but it's the only thing I can think of. That or meds.

What's your theory Savantore?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Stats for horses who've run here in bin Suroor's name....

* 5 year span from '04 to '08: 29.3% wins ($1.82 ROI)

* 2009: 30.8% wins ($1.75 ROI)


The win percentage has raised very slightly and the ROI has been shaved slightly.

Much ado about nothing.