Hall of Fame? Yes or No

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Injuries ruined his chances. He didn't hit much at all in the 2005 post. So, fk him. No real effort to get a ring, either. Too ugly for photos, too. No plate discipline (which would easily of gotten one of his teams a ring.)

Sometimes you say some intersting things but sometimes you are so far off base its like you just came back from the methadone clinic.

No effort to get a ring? No plate discipline? Over Guerrero's career he averaged 76 K's a year (which is a very small amount for a power hitter) in an average of 685 plate appearances. He also averaged 197 hits over that same time.

His lifetime batting average is .321. His .568 slg % is 14th all-time. He has 7 silver slugger awards (other OF with 7 or more, Bonds, Ramirez, Gwynn, and Griffey). He has an MVP award and 4 other top 6 finishes. He is 5th alltime in intentional walks, leading the league 5 times. He has 407 HR's. He has 2250 hits. He has led the league in hits, runs and total bases.

All this in 13 seasons.

Baseball reference has a breakdown of stats called a similarity score adjusted by year, era, etc. Guerrero's most similar hitters by year? Willie Mays, Manny Ramirez and Duke Snider.

Yeah I think the results of three games in 2005 should trump that.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Sometimes you say some intersting things but sometimes you are so far off base its like you just came back from the methadone clinic.

No effort to get a ring? No plate discipline? Over Guerrero's career he averaged 76 K's a year (which is a very small amount for a power hitter) in an average of 685 plate appearances. He also averaged 197 hits over that same time.

His lifetime batting average is .321. His .568 slg % is 14th all-time. He has 7 silver slugger awards (other OF with 7 or more, Bonds, Ramirez, Gwynn, and Griffey). He has an MVP award and 4 other top 6 finishes. He is 5th alltime in intentional walks, leading the league 5 times. He has 407 HR's. He has 2250 hits. He has led the league in hits, runs and total bases.

All this in 13 seasons.

Baseball reference has a breakdown of stats called a similarity score adjusted by year, era, etc. Guerrero's most similar hitters by year? Willie Mays, Manny Ramirez and Duke Snider.

Yeah I think the results of three games in 2005 should trump that.

During 10 games of the 2005 post, he hit .184, and had just 1 rbi. The Halos had a shot to beat the Chisox that year, but this guy came up totally useless. He has had a decent post this year. He has 2 doubles. That gives your HOFamer a grand total of 3 post season doubles in his career. He has had a home run this post season. That now gives him a grand total of 2 post season home runs. Even with a nice post season in 2009, the guy has a total of 5 career post season extra-base hits. Sorry, but I am more scoreboard than you. They got him to help them get a ring. What did he do for them in the post of 2004, 2005, 2007, and 2008? He got 2 extra base hits in 75 post season at bats. No, I wouldn't vote for him, but I can see where fantasy playing types would. If he had retired at the end of last year, would you have voted for him to go into the HOF with 2 extra base hits in 75 post season at bats? Just wondering. He's incredibly talented, but he's just about as stupid as they come. If he would have made any effort at all to stop swinging at pitchers pitches (out of the zone,) then he would of been incredible. This is a player that you respect less the more you watch him. I have seen plenty of this guy. I told ya I saw almost every Halo game in the 2nd half in 2006. He swings at sht, and grounds out n' pops up. That's probably why this individual hit .262 with men in scoring position this year. He's has the opposite of the Phil's plate game plan. To be honest, he has the talent to hit .362 with men in scoring position. All that swinging at sht adds up. Yea, he may not strike out that much, but he grounds out/pops out on pitcher's pitches (a lot.) You think I just randomly don't like the guy? That is reserved for Ichiro. I plead guilty of bias against that dude. He bores me to dozing. Really, when that guy gets on base, I'm like "how did Ichiro get on? I missed it." At least Ichiro is a good defensive player. Guerrero was horrible on D.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

During 10 games of the 2005 post, he hit .184, and had just 1 rbi. The Halos had a shot to beat the Chisox that year, but this guy came up totally useless. He has had a decent post this year. He has 2 doubles. That gives your HOFamer a grand total of 3 post season doubles in his career. He has had a home run this post season. That now gives him a grand total of 2 post season home runs. Even with a nice post season in 2009, the guy has a total of 5 career post season extra-base hits. Sorry, but I am more scoreboard than you. They got him to help them get a ring. What did he do for them in the post of 2004, 2005, 2007, and 2008? He got 2 extra base hits in 75 post season at bats. No, I wouldn't vote for him, but I can see where fantasy playing types would. If he had retired at the end of last year, would you have voted for him to go into the HOF with 2 extra base hits in 75 post season at bats? Just wondering. He's incredibly talented, but he's just about as stupid as they come. If he would have made any effort at all to stop swinging at pitchers pitches (out of the zone,) then he would of been incredible. This is a player that you respect less the more you watch him. I have seen plenty of this guy. I told ya I saw almost every Halo game in the 2nd half in 2006. He swings at sht, and grounds out n' pops up. That's probably why this individual hit .262 with men in scoring position this year. He's has the opposite of the Phil's plate game plan. To be honest, he has the talent to hit .362 with men in scoring position. All that swinging at sht adds up. Yea, he may not strike out that much, but he grounds out/pops out on pitcher's pitches (a lot.) You think I just randomly don't like the guy? That is reserved for Ichiro. I plead guilty of bias against that dude. He bores me to dozing. Really, when that guy gets on base, I'm like "how did Ichiro get on? I missed it." At least Ichiro is a good defensive player. Guerrero was horrible on D.

Like I said, sometimes your logic is mindboggling.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Like I said, sometimes your logic is mindboggling.

Do you know how easy it is for one to do what you just did? Anyone can can state a totally unsubstantiated charge or accusation against a person. This is so common on here, because it's quick n' easy. You say my logic is mindboggling. That's an effort to distract, and not have to respond to the facts I used. It's a smear. When people disagree with someone, the adult thing to do is simply say you disagree, and respond to the evidence the person used to explain their point of view, or give more evidence in support of your opinion. I don't know why you can't just say you feel your evidence is the more important evidence (instead of attacking someone with a vague accusation.) I gave you a point of view. You stated the facts to support your opinion. I gave the facts supporting my opinion. I respected your opinion, and the facts you supported it with. I don't consider it mindboggling to think a HOF candidate with 108 post season at bats should have more than 5 extra base hits in the post.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Do you know how easy it is for one to do what you just did? Anyone can can state a totally unsubstantiated charge or accusation against a person. This is so common on here, because it's quick n' easy. You say my logic is mindboggling. That's an effort to distract, and not have to respond to the facts I used. It's a smear. When people disagree with someone, the adult thing to do is simply say you disagree, and respond to the evidence the person used to explain their point of view, or give more evidence in support of your opinion. I don't know why you can't just say you feel your evidence is the more important evidence (instead of attacking someone with a vague accusation.) I gave you a point of view. You stated the facts to support your opinion. I gave the facts supporting my opinion. I respected your opinion, and the facts you supported it with. I don't consider it mindboggling to think a HOF candidate with 108 post season at bats should have more than 5 extra base hits in the post.

It is mindboggling that a person could state that having 5 extra base hits in 108 postseason at bats spread over five years somehow cancels out or trumps what the player in question has accomplished with his other 7948 plate appearances. I suppose A-rod would have been a victim of that same ....unusual....logic.

Especially when that same player has had two game winning or tying singles in the current post season.

Should Ernie Banks be kicked out because he has no post season hits?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is mindboggling that a person could state that having 5 extra base hits in 108 postseason at bats spread over five years somehow cancels out or trumps what the player in question has accomplished with his other 7948 plate appearances. I suppose A-rod would have been a victim of that same ....unusual....logic.

Especially when that same player has had two game winning or tying singles in the current post season.

Should Ernie Banks be kicked out because he has no post season hits?

Thank you. I much prefer you to state "why" you feel someone is this or that. I value the post season stuff more than you do. If someone is a great player, then they need to show it on the biggest stage. That's true in any sport, or in any other type of entertainment. I don't believe post-season performance cancels anything out. I see it as something(a good post season performance) that should be present. Yea, AROD has choked a lot in the post, but he finally performed well there. Why are ya bringing him up, though? He's a D.Q. He juiced. That's a D.Q. I find it mind boggling that you would consider putting juicers in the HOF. Yes, you could possibly say that some players performance before( or after juicing) should be counted. Is that what you're reasoning is, or are you attending the Jeff Skilling School of ethics? To me, it's a bad message to society to allow them in. I don't want them arrested, or punished in any other way than this (HOF D.Q.) As a trainer, you have to compete against cheaters. If you aren't also cheatin', then they've cost you n' your clients money. That's one thing, but voting them into some honorable club is another. Far as Ernie Banks goes, that was before players were able to have the freedom to join clubs in order to get a chance to be in the post. Now, a great player will find their way to the post. People think Tex is great. Well, he isn't in Texas anymore. He's good enough that he was able to go sign with a team that would get to the post.

[PeteMugg]

Rizzuto is in.

I'd say we could pretty much make a case for anyone who's been to a game.