10/24-25 (BEL): NY Bred Showcase Day

[Gander]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Dude GET OFF HIM. HES NOT THAT GOOD AND NEVR WAS.

You dont know what you are talking about, or what I am for that matter. Trust me, at one time, this horse was very, very good. Had he been trained by someone different, he'd have grade ones. Instead he is running on NY Showcase day.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Gander

You dont know what you are talking about, or what I am for that matter. Trust me, at one time, this horse was very, very good. Had he been trained by someone different, he'd have grade ones. Instead he is running on NY Showcase day.

I know what your talking about you have been crazy about this pig since before the Met Mile and even then I told you I thought he was not that good. Bet who you want, hype who you want but this horse is not that good. Once again this sets up like a dream for Law Enforcment. Because of the pace sceniro I think this race is all 4-11

[jjf1031]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I know what your talking about you have been crazy about this pig since before the Met Mile and even then I told you I thought he was not that good. Bet who you want, hype who you want but this horse is not that good. Once again this sets up like a dream for Law Enforcment. Because of the pace sceniro I think this race is all 4-11

A multiple G1 placed "pig" who ran his eyeballs out to be beaten 2 lengths in the Carter. A "pig" who despite a foolish ride by Dominguez through a 43 second half at Toga still fought gamely to the wire to lose to a perfectly setup Law Enforcement. Think maybe you should be using other terms

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by jjf1031

A multiple G1 placed "pig" who ran his eyeballs out to be beaten 2 lengths in the Carter. A "pig" who despite a foolish ride by Dominguez through a 43 second half at Toga still fought gamely to the wire to lose to a perfectly setup Law Enforcement. Think maybe you should be using other terms

Ok a horse who is over hyped and because of his style wont win unless THERE IS 0 EARLY SPEED IN THE RACE.

[jjf1031]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Ok a horse who is over hyped and because of his style wont win unless THERE IS 0 EARLY SPEED IN THE RACE.

Not sure I agree with that either...Granted if he gets caught inside dueling or misses the break ala the Forego and is rushed up he might be in trouble. But he has shown that he can survive fast fractions and hold for a piece. Also have to factor in a probable wet track as well. And the other speed in there is coming from who? Dr W probably. Goodandacceptable? not sure either of those have a first gear like him. Maybe Smokin Hero?

[Gander]

Originally Posted by jjf1031

Not sure I agree with that either...Granted if he gets caught inside dueling or misses the break ala the Forego and is rushed up he might be in trouble. But he has shown that he can survive fast fractions and hold for a piece. Also have to factor in a probable wet track as well. And the other speed in there is coming from who? Dr W probably. Goodandacceptable? not sure either of those have a first gear like him. Maybe Smokin Hero?

They dont, and he has to go, go, go breaking from the rail...and hes gone, gone, gone in here.

Problem is because of the class, you wont get anything good on a price.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Gander

They dont, and he has to go, go, go breaking from the rail...and hes gone, gone, gone in here.

Problem is because of the class, you wont get anything good on a price.

Gander if the other 3 speeds run... THERE IS NO CHANCE THIS HORSE WINS, HE HAS NO HEART. He dug in in the Met Mile, but was not close to the win. I cant see this horse winning and would love to meet you at Racino Saturday to watch this.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by jjf1031

A multiple G1 placed "pig" who ran his eyeballs out to be beaten 2 lengths in the Carter. A "pig" who despite a foolish ride by Dominguez through a 43 second half at Toga still fought gamely to the wire to lose to a perfectly setup Law Enforcement. Think maybe you should be using other terms

Thank you.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Gander

You dont know what you are talking about, or what I am for that matter. Trust me, at one time, this horse was very, very good. Had he been trained by someone different, he'd have grade ones. Instead he is running on NY Showcase day.

Huh?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Huh?

I know, I was a tad baffled by that remark as well, few trainers move horses up off of Levine, unless of course they run them exclusively at Saratoga.

NT

[Gander]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I know, I was a tad baffled by that remark as well, few trainers move horses up off of Levine, unless of course they run them exclusively at Saratoga.

NT

I meant if someone else had him from the very start and didnt campaign him the way he did. He was rushed into very hard races over and over and never really got the break he needed. Thats just my opinion. I thought this horse had great things coming his way.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Gander

I meant if someone else had him from the very start and didnt campaign him the way he did. He was rushed into very hard races over and over and never really got the break he needed. Thats just my opinion. I thought this horse had great things coming his way.

How was he rushed? He ran through all of his NY-bred conditions before tackling tougher assignments. And who's to say that all the spots selected are necessarily trainer decisions?

[Gander]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

How was he rushed? He ran through all of his NY-bred conditions before tackling tougher assignments. And who's to say that all the spots selected are necessarily trainer decisions?

Its all opinion, but I think he could have run in some other race than the Met Mile off that hard effort in the Carter. I really think those 2 races did him in and the frustrating thing is he ran very well in both.