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10-21-2009, 01:10 PM
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He's top 5 three surfaces for sure.
Nice Brazil bred... but I'd give a slight edge to the Brazil bred Sandpit over Einstein. 
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10-21-2009, 01:17 PM
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How about Blushing John, who just falls within the 20 year limit.
Winner of the French "2,000 guineas." Picked up an Eclipse as champ older horse in U.S. as a 4yo by winning the Hollywood Gold Cup, Pimlico Special, and finishing 3rd behind Easy Goer and Sunday Silence in the BCC.
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10-21-2009, 01:23 PM
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Ibn Bey would work though ... 2nd to Unbridled in the '90 BC Classic and a pretty good turf resume in Europe ... though I'd be lying through my teeth if I said I saw any of his Euro turf races - or even could gauge him. Jolypha was also 3rd in the BC Classic to AP Indy as a 3yo filly ... and was a multiple Group 1 winner in France before that. She lost too much tarnish though because she was a bust with Bobby Frankel as a 4yo.
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10-21-2009, 01:39 PM
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Would Mecke be included in an all-American top 20? Won the Super Derby, Arlington Million, and Early Times Classic. For international flair, he finished second and third in the Rothman's.
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10-21-2009, 01:41 PM
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Da Hoss. Smoking fast in Arizona. Graded stakes winner on dirt. Two time Mile champ.
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10-21-2009, 01:50 PM
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Mecke was also beaten only 3 lengths in the Kentucky Derby.
He certainly would be in the hunt in an all-american top 20... probably a big longshot to make an overall top 20 though. He didn't have the flashiest figures .. and he was from a time when more top horses did. Da Hoss was beaten in his final 5 dirt tries .. and though he ran fast at Turf Paradice.. that track is like the Bonneville Salt Flats. Still .. he had a couple nice 2nds on dirt and was a super turf miler. Lure was a little better as both a turf horse and a dirt horse though IMO.
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10-21-2009, 01:59 PM
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10-21-2009, 02:22 PM
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I would have loved to have seen Skip Away run on the turf.
He was soundly beaten in his debut going 5fs to Cold Snap on the dirt. He made his 2nd start in a stake race going 5fs on the turf - and was running over the top of horses late but finished a good 2nd to Cold Snap. That was it for his career on turf. His 5f turf race was much better than his 5f dirt race ... and while a terrible sire ... his offspring do a lot better on turf and synthetic than dirt. Considering he was a true all-time great on dirt ... I wouldn't be shocked if he would have been an outstanding turf horse as well if given the chance.
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10-21-2009, 01:50 PM
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