FL racinos get video blackjack nod

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

If you closed tracks you cut into fixed overhead. You sell off the land and hopefully reinvest it into the other property. Also you never get that until you take the bottle away from the baby it can learn to eat food.

This entitlement BS is holding the industry back. There are WAY TO MANY RACES

Ok so you make some improvements to the existing track. But isnt handle being shifted more and more off track?

Like it or not the horseman are partners with the tracks. Always have been. We provide the product. The tracks wants to expand their menu? Fine but as their partner we get a piece of the action. Why is this hard to understand?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ok so you make some improvements to the existing track. But isnt handle being shifted more and more off track?
yes

Like it or not the horseman are partners with the tracks. Always have been. We provide the product. The tracks wants to expand their menu? Fine but as their partner we get a piece of the action. Why is this hard to understand?

not hard to understand , it's the american way chuck

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

not hard to understand , it's the american way chuck

Then tell me why people act so indignant that horseman get a slice of slot money?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Then tell me why people act so indignant that horseman get a slice of slot money?

i don't know why freddy mo and orioles and others don't like seeing horsemen surive because of a different revenue stream


to me it's similar to not wanting to see companies in this county seek out new revenues in order to grow and create jobs , one of the most successful co's in this country was in a dying business in the late 60's and was on death row until the new owner showed up and decided that things had to change and new revenues had to be found , today that co has the highest equity of any company in the US and it's called Bershire Hathaway

i hope slot continues to fund your businesss chuck so that you and many others can surive

[freddymo]

Racing needs to close tracks lose date and pair its races by at least a third.. NOBODY is betting...Making more racino tracks is insane. Slots make breeding more horses an option, slots give ridiculous horses(like my pig) an opportunity to earn.. He is a slug that needs a good home. BUT because slots are in at Penn Nat I have the pleasure of campaigning such a Giant.. If slots werent at Penn Nat he would be at a farm instead of a ridiculous track. Now IF people were betting on the comical races as they had in the past when there wasn't a lottery, slots, gaming table, poker EVERYWHERE..Then handle would justify his sore ankle life. BUT since the gambling dollar is not being used on such vermin races then the ciontinued development of the industry around such false pretense MUST STOP.

[Gander]

I tend to agree. Even at NYRA tracks. No more than 4 days a week, 9 races a day, and for god's sake cut the time in between races by 10 minutes. Move post time to noon. Get us in and out of there by 3pm.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ok so you make some improvements to the existing track. But isnt handle being shifted more and more off track?

Like it or not the horseman are partners with the tracks. Always have been. We provide the product. The tracks wants to expand their menu? Fine but as their partner we get a piece of the action. Why is this hard to understand?

I don't care that you spoke about my business, I really don't. It is doing just fine and you suggesting it needs help is silly. For all I know you are doing just fine too, I hope you are.

Now, back to the topic. Of course it is shifting away from the tracks, so stop paying ridiculous amounts of money to run plants that are too big and/or unnecessary. Stop trying to get people to bet on **** races and then complaining you need slots to survive. As Fred says, way too many tracks, way too many races, not enough horses. As evidenced by the racing at places like EvD and Mnr and FL, there is a line where people are simply not going to bet much on bad horses.

I agreed with you it is mostly the tracks (your partner) selling their soul to the devil. Slots do hurt handle. First, there are people that bet horses that move to slots, not the other way around. Second, keeping these tracks open creates a worse product at other tracks. I can't believe you can't see that. Look at the quality of racing in New York compared to 10 years ago. There is pretty much no hard knocking claimers left, the former bread and butter of racing. They are spread among Philly, Delaware, Monmouth, etc.

If you don't see my point, that is fine, I'm sure I'm missing some of yours. I'm sure short term slots are great, but long term, I'm sure they are not. Rather than beg for welfare, racing should be fixing the product. If they don't, states will realize they didn't need racing in the first place to suck away people's money via slots.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I don't care that you spoke about my business, I really don't. It is doing just fine and you suggesting it needs help is silly. For all I know you are doing just fine too, I hope you are.

Now, back to the topic. Of course it is shifting away from the tracks, so stop paying ridiculous amounts of money to run plants that are too big and/or unnecessary. Stop trying to get people to bet on **** races and then complaining you need slots to survive. As Fred says, way too many tracks, way too many races, not enough horses. As evidenced by the racing at places like EvD and Mnr and FL, there is a line where people are simply not going to bet much on bad horses.

I agreed with you it is mostly the tracks (your partner) selling their soul to the devil. Slots do hurt handle. First, there are people that bet horses that move to slots, not the other way around. Second, keeping these tracks open creates a worse product at other tracks. I can't believe you can't see that. Look at the quality of racing in New York compared to 10 years ago. There is pretty much no hard knocking claimers left, the former bread and butter of racing. They are spread among Philly, Delaware, Monmouth, etc.

If you don't see my point, that is fine, I'm sure I'm missing some of yours. I'm sure short term slots are great, but long term, I'm sure they are not. Rather than beg for welfare, racing should be fixing the product. If they don't, states will realize they didn't need racing in the first place to suck away people's money via slots.

While you make many valid points, the bigger issue in the deterioration of the quality of day to day cards especially in NY is the rise of statebred races. As a horseman without megamoney owners, there would be very little reason not to focus on statebreds if I were to relocate to NY. It is like having two separate circuits at the same track. NY has also harmed its racing program by allowing a handful of trainers to operate huge stables on NYRA grounds via Saratoga being open for training 7 months of the year. It allows these guys to hoard horses and never forces them to make a choice. They just keep expanding which further drives the other, less fortunate horseman more towards statebreds which can run for the same money in most cases except for only the very best horses. While there surely is a better caliber horse found at Delaware and Monmouth when compared to days gone by, the effect of statebred races in NY has imo been more of a detriment than slots especially when you consider that a large amount of the quality horses running at those places are trained by big trainers who have similar horses already running in NY.

[cmorioles]

The proliferation of statebred races are a problem, but I'm not sure we aren't talking chicken and egg here. Statebreds are used to fill racecards because there aren't any other horses left. If you aren't a top horse that can run in stakes and allowances, there is no incentive to keep your horse in NY unless it is a statebred.

These races have taken off with the loss of the claimers. It is the same with the turf sprints, a previously unheard of race in New York. By far the worst are statebred turf sprints, though Linda Rice might beg to differ.