Lethal Heat possibly running both days of Breeder's Cup

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Are you kidding? Unusual Heat is a tremendous stallion.

Uh....

When Lennyfromalibu is clear cut the best horse you've ever sired ... calling him a tremendous stallion is silly.

He gets a lot of productive Cal Bred turfers ... and he's a stallion who's benefited greatly from the synthetic invasion in So Cal.

Other than Lennyfromalibu .. who was a pretty nice turf sprinter/miler for a few races ... he's had nothing of top flight ability.

Not a single one of his top 8 earners he's sired has ever run a triple digit fig. I get that he's moved up mares ... but you have to throw something with some ability at least once before you deserve to be called a tremendous sire.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Uh....

When Lennyfromalibu is clear cut the best horse you've ever sired ... calling him a tremendous stallion is silly.

He gets a lot of productive Cal Bred turfers ... and he's a stallion who's benefited greatly from the synthetic invasion in So Cal.

Other than Lennyfromalibu .. who was a pretty nice turf sprinter/miler for a few races ... he's had nothing of top flight ability.

Not a single one of his top 8 earners he's sired has ever run a triple digit fig. I get that he's moved up mares ... but you have to throw something with some ability at least once before you deserve to be called a tremendous sire.

http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/truen...alifornia.aspx

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...-king-of-calif


http://www.galopsport.dk/information/unusual_heat_1.pdf

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...re-lists/a-e-i

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...rican-earnings

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ts/all-weather

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ire-lists/turf

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...-lists/general

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Give it a rest.

Unusual Heat's success at stud right now has everything to do with the synthetic surface invasion in California.

Back when I was young, California racing was always king when it came to dirt sprinters. They'd almost always kick the ass of Eastern sprinters when they'd ship. A big emphasis was placed on early speed .. and the Cal breeding program reflected that.

Unusual Heat was a Euro import. He ran fast figs in America - and Abrams basically claimed a horse with a huge glowing "For Sale" sign .. got 2 whole races out of him .. and got lucky with him as a stud thanks to synthetic tracks. The comment read "returned lame" in his 2nd start off the claim when he was back in for a tag. Abrams had him sound for a whole 19 days.

Here's a cut of form from some claimers turned stallions. I included Cozar - he's the Unusual Heat of Presque Isle Downs .. only difference is that his offspring have to run open instead of against state breds.

[zippyneedsawin]

I think the double entry is great idea. It's about time.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Give it a rest.

Unusual Heat's success at stud right now has everything to do with the synthetic surface invasion in California.

Back when I was young, California racing was always king when it came to dirt sprinters. They'd almost always kick the ass of Eastern sprinters when they'd ship. A big emphasis was placed on early speed .. and the Cal breeding program reflected that.

Unusual Heat was a Euro import. He ran fast figs in America - and Abrams basically claimed a horse with a huge glowing "For Sale" sign .. got 2 whole races out of him .. and got lucky with him as a stud thanks to synthetic tracks. The comment read "returned lame" in his 2nd start off the claim when he was back in for a tag. Abrams had him sound for a whole 19 days.

Here's a cut of form from some claimers turned stallions. I included Cozar - he's the Unusual Heat of Presque Isle Downs .. only difference is that his offspring have to run open instead of against state breds.

Give me a break

The horse is the 4th ranked turf sire in the US.
You can disparage him and post all the inane bs you want but for a CA stallion to be ranked that high is amazing. And he was 2nd last year and 13th the year before. Think about that. This is despite having ridiculously weak mares compared to the others in the top 50 and most of his runners in one state and no single big earner.

His rankings pretty much show what kind of sire he is. The fact that he is a CA stallion, his book of mares and where he has come from to reach these rankings is downright amazing.

But dont worry, at least you have Freddy fooled

[The Indomitable DrugS]

How exactly do I have Freddy fooled? He's never once listened to me about anything.

You called Leathal Heat a "tremendous sire". I guess that makes him a tremendous sire who's all-time best horse is the mighty Lennyfromalibu.

But hey ... he's really good with Cal Bred turf and synthetic horses!

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

How exactly do I have Freddy fooled? He's never once listened to me about anything.

You called Leathal Heat a "tremendous sire". I guess that makes him a tremendous sire who's all-time best horse is the mighty Lennyfromalibu.

But hey ... he's really good with Cal Bred turf and synthetic horses!

He gets a very high percentage of runners. many can and do earn enough to keep their owners happy. To date he is Bertrando lite..

I bet Guts in the Meadowlands pace he was a monster on mile tracks couldn't run on a half to save his life.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Chuck, if only you had a time machine back then...you could have fast forwarded to 2009 and have a leading contender for the Older Male Eclipse!

[VOL JACK]

Dont get me wrong, I think Catienus is a very nice sire and has never got his due.
I cant for the life of me understand how a plodder like himself that wanted to run 12f, sires a horse like Talent Search who breaks like a rocket and is one of the faster horses for 4-5f we have seen the last few years.

Interesting that Clement lost this horse to KR for 50K...which is even worse than losing Furthest Land for 35K with all of his conditions in tack.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Dont get me wrong, I think Catienus is a very nice sire and has never got his due.
I cant for the life of me understand how a plodder like himself that wanted to run 12f, sires a horse like Talent Search who breaks like a rocket and is one of the faster horses for 4-5f we have seen the last few years.

Interesting that Clement lost this horse to KR for 50K...which is even worse than losing Furthest Land for 35K with all of his conditions in tack.

TS must have had a lot of mr P in him

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Talent Search debuted for a tag at Tampa two days before Christmas - Fabulous Strike debuted at Tampa two days after Christmas that same year.

I was there both days.

My mom's birthday is Christmas Eve and Christmas is a big thing for us the next day.

I almost got disowned that year for not showing up or calling either day. I was probably too busy posting and making speed figures for greyhound tracks.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Chuck, if only you had a time machine back then...you could have fast forwarded to 2009 and have a leading contender for the Older Male Eclipse!

Amazing isnt it? He was about the 30th best horse back then.