Lethal Heat possibly running both days of Breeder's Cup

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

First of all, I believe under current BC rules, he can pre-enter the 2 races but has to commit on entry day to one or the other. Then even if he could run in both, if you heard him today, he explained the circumstances under which he would do it.. a troubled, undemanding trip in the Distaff. It's a diabolically brilliant idea because it promotes talk about Unusual Heat and how durable and versatile his offspring are...

And a Lethal Heat running on consecutive days and what's going on with Lava Man is apples and oranges.

Steve who the F is Abrams fooling with these ridiculous Unusual Heat's.. Have a heart if racing needed a joker they would have hired Cesar Romero.. Please Unusual Heat..Chuck you lookin for a Swiss Yoddler?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Steve who the F is Abrams fooling with these ridiculous Unusual Heat's.. Have a heart if racing needed a joker they would have hired Cesar Romero.. Please Unusual Heat..Chuck you lookin for a Swiss Yoddler?

Are you kidding? Unusual Heat is a tremendous stallion.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Are you kidding? Unusual Heat is a tremendous stallion.

Tremendous like Speightstown? Tremendous like Pulpit? Tremendous like Street Cry? Tremendous like Smart Strike? Tremendous like Indy? Tremendous like King? Tremendous like Gone West Seeking etc etc .. He has sired a bunch that have beaten a bunch of Bertrandos and Swiss Yodelers maybe a stray Cee's Tizzy.. Lets go with a excellent regional to be fair

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Tremendous like Speightstown? Tremendous like Pulpit? Tremendous like Street Cry? Tremendous like Smart Strike? Tremendous like Indy? Tremendous like King? Tremendous like Gone West Seeking etc etc .. He has sired a bunch that have beaten a bunch of Bertrandos and Swiss Yodelers maybe a stray Cee's Tizzy.. Lets go with a excellent regional to be fair

Amazing. Seriously what are you talking about? You want to compare a stallion on an Island in CA that was claimed from a turf race and compare him to KY stallions.

[chucklestheclown]

Fascinating. How exactly is it "apples and oranges" to compare running her twice in two days to Lava Man's comeback? The arguments both for and against each situation are exactly the same. But I like the concept of making a mockery of the Breeders' Cup.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

Fascinating. How exactly is it "apples and oranges" to compare running her twice in two days to Lava Man's comeback? The arguments both for and against each situation are exactly the same. But I like the concept of making a mockery of the Breeders' Cup.

Because horses that are retired due to soundness issues and returned to training have a far greater probability of injury than a horse who to our knowledge has no such history. She is far more likely to simply race poorly than breakdown.

Since when is racing recency tied to breakdowns?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Because horses that are retired due to soundness issues and returned to training have a far greater probability of injury than a horse who to our knowledge has no such history. She is far more likely to simply race poorly than breakdown.

Since when is racing recency tied to breakdowns?

But Left Bank said "WHEN the horse snaps a leg"....not if. So it's not a matter of it could happen but it will happen. Left Bank said so.

They might be different cases but both of them could end up with bad results. Or neither could.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cardus

You ripped Freddymo for doing this, yet you proceeded to do exactly the same.

What are you talking about?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Are you kidding? Unusual Heat is a tremendous stallion.

Uh....

When Lennyfromalibu is clear cut the best horse you've ever sired ... calling him a tremendous stallion is silly.

He gets a lot of productive Cal Bred turfers ... and he's a stallion who's benefited greatly from the synthetic invasion in So Cal.

Other than Lennyfromalibu .. who was a pretty nice turf sprinter/miler for a few races ... he's had nothing of top flight ability.

Not a single one of his top 8 earners he's sired has ever run a triple digit fig. I get that he's moved up mares ... but you have to throw something with some ability at least once before you deserve to be called a tremendous sire.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Uh....

When Lennyfromalibu is clear cut the best horse you've ever sired ... calling him a tremendous stallion is silly.

He gets a lot of productive Cal Bred turfers ... and he's a stallion who's benefited greatly from the synthetic invasion in So Cal.

Other than Lennyfromalibu .. who was a pretty nice turf sprinter/miler for a few races ... he's had nothing of top flight ability.

Not a single one of his top 8 earners he's sired has ever run a triple digit fig. I get that he's moved up mares ... but you have to throw something with some ability at least once before you deserve to be called a tremendous sire.

http://cs.bloodhorse.com/blogs/truen...alifornia.aspx

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...-king-of-calif


http://www.galopsport.dk/information/unusual_heat_1.pdf

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...re-lists/a-e-i

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...rican-earnings

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ts/all-weather

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...ire-lists/turf

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...-lists/general

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Give it a rest.

Unusual Heat's success at stud right now has everything to do with the synthetic surface invasion in California.

Back when I was young, California racing was always king when it came to dirt sprinters. They'd almost always kick the ass of Eastern sprinters when they'd ship. A big emphasis was placed on early speed .. and the Cal breeding program reflected that.

Unusual Heat was a Euro import. He ran fast figs in America - and Abrams basically claimed a horse with a huge glowing "For Sale" sign .. got 2 whole races out of him .. and got lucky with him as a stud thanks to synthetic tracks. The comment read "returned lame" in his 2nd start off the claim when he was back in for a tag. Abrams had him sound for a whole 19 days.

Here's a cut of form from some claimers turned stallions. I included Cozar - he's the Unusual Heat of Presque Isle Downs .. only difference is that his offspring have to run open instead of against state breds.

[zippyneedsawin]

I think the double entry is great idea. It's about time.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Give it a rest.

Unusual Heat's success at stud right now has everything to do with the synthetic surface invasion in California.

Back when I was young, California racing was always king when it came to dirt sprinters. They'd almost always kick the ass of Eastern sprinters when they'd ship. A big emphasis was placed on early speed .. and the Cal breeding program reflected that.

Unusual Heat was a Euro import. He ran fast figs in America - and Abrams basically claimed a horse with a huge glowing "For Sale" sign .. got 2 whole races out of him .. and got lucky with him as a stud thanks to synthetic tracks. The comment read "returned lame" in his 2nd start off the claim when he was back in for a tag. Abrams had him sound for a whole 19 days.

Here's a cut of form from some claimers turned stallions. I included Cozar - he's the Unusual Heat of Presque Isle Downs .. only difference is that his offspring have to run open instead of against state breds.

Give me a break

The horse is the 4th ranked turf sire in the US.
You can disparage him and post all the inane bs you want but for a CA stallion to be ranked that high is amazing. And he was 2nd last year and 13th the year before. Think about that. This is despite having ridiculously weak mares compared to the others in the top 50 and most of his runners in one state and no single big earner.

His rankings pretty much show what kind of sire he is. The fact that he is a CA stallion, his book of mares and where he has come from to reach these rankings is downright amazing.

But dont worry, at least you have Freddy fooled

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Chuck, if only you had a time machine back then...you could have fast forwarded to 2009 and have a leading contender for the Older Male Eclipse!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Are you kidding? Unusual Heat is a tremendous stallion.

Yes he is. How else could this mushmouth slob be doing this well with thoroughbreds? I remember him before this sire. He wasn't much. He was a mushmouth slob (of course.) His ways of running the same horse every Friday Night etc. didn't really work with horses sired by other sires. He hit Lotto with this sire. Like he has stated, he bred him to nothing, and got a lot. They might not be world class horses, but they weren't bred to be that. If he gets some top mares, look out. I mean, lets face it, the guy wasn't a great claiming trainer. So, he and his people got tired of that. He, and his people couldn't (or wouldn't) pay what people wanted for decent young horses at sales. So, they decided to have Unusual Heat f every cheap mare they had. They ended up hitting Lotto. He's a really good sire. Maybe he hasn't had the world class horses yet, but they are very tough (both physically and mentally.) Very little of the stuff this trainer makes these horses do would work with horses by other sires. Lethal Heat is as tough a competitor as you'll ever find. She's got a favorite distance, but she's gunna keep trying, regardless. This is all about that sire. One thing I do think is that Lethal Heat was running with at least a 36 Co2 on Saturday. That's the one time she has ever shown a kick going 2 turns. She was especially effervescing, but we have a high threshold out here. Really is amazing that anyone is ever caught alkalizing out here. It's not like they're looking very hard.

[cmorioles]

I imagine Cannon will want to rethink things now.