All-time Top 12 seasons by a QB

[declansharbor]

QB ratings are as useless as turf beyers.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

QB ratings are as useless as turf beyers.

I don't think that's true at all. I think that what Sniper said about comparing them from different eras is valid. But when it's the same era, I think there is something to be said. Especially when it's the same player comparing his regular season numbers to his playoff numbers.

[King Glorious]

Staubach

Games.........114 (85-29.746).........17 (11-6.647)..........10 (6-4.600)
Comp%..........57.2........................53.8... ...................56.3
YPG.............191.4......................151.4.. ...................153.5
TD%..............5.3..........................5.5. .....................6.5
Int%..............3.5..........................4.9 .....................5.2
Rating...........85.0.........................72.4 ....................76.7

This guy is in the hall of fame? Talk about an average quarterback? How about below average? He was below average in accuracy and not much better with his rating. He didn't throw for a lot of yards. His td/int ratio wasn't anything to write home about. But he won. I always thought that Bradshaw was the model of an average quarterback that benefitted from having a lot of talent around him but now I'm not sure which guy was luckier. Amazing that these guys have six titles between them while Elway, Favre, Marino, and Moon have a combined three.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

QB ratings are as useless as turf beyers.

You took that from my list didn't you!!!! Thats what I thought when I listed overrated.

You see these guys on here and you would say no way!!

4. Tony Romo (28) 93.3 2004-2009 dal
5. Philip Rivers (27) 92.7 2004-2009 sdg
8. Chad Pennington (32) 90.1 2000-2009 2TM
11. Daunte Culpepper (31) 88.9 1999-2009 4TM
12. Carson Palmer (29) 88.1 2004-2009 cin
13. Matt Schaub (27) 87.9 2004-2009 2TM
14. Jeff Garcia (38) 87.5 1999-2009 5TM
15. Jay Cutler (25) 87.3 2006-2009 2TM
18. Trent Green 86.0 1997-2008 4TM
David Garrard (30) 85.7 2002-2009 jax

[dalakhani]

Great stuff here KG. keep it coming.

[King Glorious]

Here's the way I look at it. A rating is like a raw time at the racetrack. A horse might run 6f in 1:10. Another horse at another track might run it in 1:12. You can't compare the two because there are so many variables that go into why one was faster than the other. Same thing with a qb rating. One quarterback may play in a system that focuses on the deep pass. Another may play in one where 60% of his passes are 3-7 yard dinks. One quarterback may play with Barry Sanders and the other has Berry Gordy. So it's hard to compare them to each other and it's even harder to compare guys of different years or eras. But what you can compare with a little more accuracy is one horse against himself. If he runs six races at SA and all of them are between 1:09 4/5 and 1:10 2/5 then all of a sudden, he runs a 1:08, you know that was a really fast race for him or if it's a 1:12, it's a slow one. Same thing I'm doing here. I'm not focusing on how each quarterback compares against the others as much as I am looking at how they fare against themselves under the different levels of pressure. Looked at that way, I think the numbers are a good gauge and very useful.

[horseofcourse]

Go do Otto Graham. Dig into the archives!! The greatest winner of all time. Of course when he played, they only played one postseason game. 10 years as a professional, 10 championship games played....7-3 record. Of course only 6 of those in the NFL but still 3-3 in those 6 NFL championship games he played.

My guess is his stats and ratings are probably terrible.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Go do Otto Graham. Dig into the archives!! The greatest winner of all time. Of course when he played, they only played one postseason game. 10 years as a professional, 10 championship games played....7-3 record. Of course only 6 of those in the NFL but still 3-3 in those 6 NFL championship games he played.

My guess is his stats and ratings are probably terrible.

If I can find his game stats, I'll do him. The thing to remember is that you can't really compare him to other but you can compare him to himself.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Go do Otto Graham. Dig into the archives!! The greatest winner of all time. Of course when he played, they only played one postseason game. 10 years as a professional, 10 championship games played....7-3 record. Of course only 6 of those in the NFL but still 3-3 in those 6 NFL championship games he played.

My guess is his stats and ratings are probably terrible.

Ask and ye shall receive. Now, I couldn't find game stats on him prior to the NFL but we have his NFL stats. Before I put up the numbers, remember what I said before. It's very difficult to compare different eras so where his numbers might not match up with others, it's not to difficult to compare his regular season numbers against his playoff numbers since he's the same person playing with the same people under the same system and same rules. With that said, here's Graham for his six NFL seaons and the playoffs. He played two playoff games in 1950 because they tied for the division title so they had to play a game to see who would go play for the conference title so really, all seven of his playoff games were title games or championships.

Otto Graham
Games...............71 (57-13-1.810).................7 (4-3.571)
Comp%................55.7......................... .......53.0
YPG....................190.1...................... ........172.0
TD%....................5.6........................ ..........6.0
Int%....................6.0....................... ..........7.7
Rating..................78.2...................... ..........63.7

So what can we tell from these numbers? Well, to start, let's look at his completion %. These days, that would be pretty low for a starting quarterback. But in three of his six seasons, he led the league with numbers of 64.7, 59.2, and 53.0 So in that context, his % was pretty good for in those days. His yards per game weren't that high either at 190.1 But in two of those years, he led the league in that category so again, not too bad. His passer rating was not that great either. But in two years, he led in that area (99.7 and 94.0). The only area where he wasn't too good was in his td/int ratio. He threw way too many picks. But overall, you can easily see that he was one of, if not the best quarterback in the league during that time. Now where it gets interesting. The playoffs. Obviously, you'd never complain about a guy that wins three titles in six years. That's what it's all about. His performance level drops in the playoffs. He completes just over half of his passes (89-168) and his yards per game drops off by 18 a game. His td/int ratio gets worse. While he had 10 touchdowns, seven of those came in two games so that means he had only three in the other five games combined. He went three games without a touchdown but threw at least one interception in each game. In four of them, he threw two or more. To break him down even further for you, here's how he fared in his seven playoff games:

In the wins
61.5% completions
178.3 ypg
11.5 td%
9.0 int%
9/7 td/int
92.5 rating

In the losses
45.6% completions
163.7 ypg
1.1 td%
6.7 int%
1/6 td/int
38.7 rating

When they won, he was pretty damn good. Still threw too many interceptions but was otherwise very, very solid. But when they lost, he was pretty sad.