All-time Top 12 seasons by a QB

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Interesting how closely he compares to those two hall of fame quarterbacks and that doesn't even count his rushing yards.

Kelly isn't in the HOF for his Super Bowls. He was hungover for the first one (that was the last year they had one week between conference championships and the Super Bowl, the Bills were big favorites and they admittedly partied too hard), and then let the pressure get to him in the last three while facing incredibly good teams. I'd like to see several QB's ratings against the 1991 Redskins (best team in my lifetime), 1992 Cowboys, and 1993 Cowboys.

Comparing QB ratings over eras is pointless. With the rule changes on bump and run it is a completely different animal. Your comparison of regular season to playoffs, to Super Bowl is quite interesting and appreciated but comparing QBs from 15 years to the QBs of today on statistics is irrelevant. They made the game easier for QBs today with the rule changes.

[King Glorious]

Donovan McNabb

Games.........128 (82-45-1.645)........15 (9-6.600)............6 (1-5.167)
Comp%..........59.1..........................59.6. .....................57.3
YPG.............227.8........................234.8 ......................237.7
TD%..............4.6...........................4.3 .........................4.0
Int%..............2.1...........................3. 0.........................4.0
Rating..........86.4..........................80.8 .......................72.9

McNabb is steady but not great. The standard for a good NFL quarterback is 60% completion rate and he's just below that. His qb rating is also not too good and drops as the pressure increases. Also notice that while he's over 2/1 in td/int ratio during the regular season, he falls to 1/1 when the biggest money is on the line.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Donovan McNabb

Games.........128 (82-45-1.645)........15 (9-6.600)............6 (1-5.167)
Comp%..........59.1..........................59.6. .....................57.3
YPG.............227.8........................234.8 ......................237.7
TD%..............4.6...........................4.3 .........................4.0
Int%..............2.1...........................3. 0.........................4.0
Rating..........86.4..........................80.8 .......................72.9

McNabb is steady but not great. The standard for a good NFL quarterback is 60% completion rate and he's just below that. His qb rating is also not too good and drops as the pressure increases. Also notice that while he's over 2/1 in td/int ratio during the regular season, he falls to 1/1 when the biggest money is on the line.

^^^ what he said


but I get crap for saying it!

[Crown@club]

Interesting - Career QB Rating in the Super Bowl. 2 game minimum of course.

Passer Rating (Career)
1. Joe Montana 127.83 (4 SB)
2. Jim Plunkett 122.83 (2 SB)
3. Terry Bradshaw 112.80 (4 SB)
4. Troy Aikman 111.93 (3 SB)
5. Bart Starr 105.98 (2 SB)
6. Brett Favre 97.61 (2 SB)
7. Roger Staubach 96.33 (4 SB)
8. Kurt Warner 95.94 (3 SB)
9. Tom Brady 95.12 (4 SB)
10. Len Dawson 84.75 (2 SB)

[Crown@club]

Career Passer Rating. (Overrated?)

1. Steve Young+ 96.8 1985-1999 2TM
2. Peyton Manning (32) 95.2 1998-2009 clt
3. Kurt Warner (37) 93.5 1998-2009 3TM
4. Tony Romo (28) 93.3 2004-2009 dal
5. Philip Rivers (27) 92.7 2004-2009 sdg
6. Tom Brady (31) 92.5 2000-2009 nwe
7. Joe Montana+ 92.3 1979-1994 2TM
8. Chad Pennington (32) 90.1 2000-2009 2TM
9. Drew Brees (29) 90.0 2001-2009 2TM
Ben Roethlisberger (26) 90.0 2004-2009 pit
11. Daunte Culpepper (31) 88.9 1999-2009 4TM
12. Carson Palmer (29) 88.1 2004-2009 cin
13. Matt Schaub (27) 87.9 2004-2009 2TM
14. Jeff Garcia (38) 87.5 1999-2009 5TM
15. Jay Cutler (25) 87.3 2006-2009 2TM
16. Otto Graham+ 86.6 1946-1955 cle
17. Dan Marino+ 86.4 1983-1999 mia
18. Trent Green 86.0 1997-2008 4TM
19. Donovan McNabb (32) 85.8 1999-2009 phi
20. Brett Favre (39) 85.7 1991-2009 4TM
David Garrard (30) 85.7 2002-2009 jax

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Donovan McNabb

Games.........128 (82-45-1.645)........15 (9-6.600)............6 (1-5.167)
Comp%..........59.1..........................59.6. .....................57.3
YPG.............227.8........................234.8 ......................237.7
TD%..............4.6...........................4.3 .........................4.0
Int%..............2.1...........................3. 0.........................4.0
Rating..........86.4..........................80.8 .......................72.9

McNabb is steady but not great. The standard for a good NFL quarterback is 60% completion rate and he's just below that. His qb rating is also not too good and drops as the pressure increases. Also notice that while he's over 2/1 in td/int ratio during the regular season, he falls to 1/1 when the biggest money is on the line.

He will tell you ALL that matters is his winning %. He's had a step above dog $hit as receivers for practically his whole career, up until now. This year forward will cement/determine whether his tenure here will be deemed a success, and I feel that it will,(unbiasedly of course ) and that his best days are AHEAD of him. D-Jack will bring out the best of 5 and vice versa. If only he had the threat of a REAL run game (like Eli) to open up the field via play action. Opposing teams know damn well that he is tucking that ball into his chest instead of handing it off, which is HUGE for pass rushing specialists. Andy also needs to rip those Shotgun formation run plays and those A-gap run plays out of the menu. They are about as stale as my in-laws easter candy.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

He will tell you ALL that matters is his winning %. He's had a step above dog $hit as receivers for practically his whole career, up until now. This year forward will cement/determine whether his tenure here will be deemed a success, and I feel that it will,(unbiasedly of course ) and that his best days are AHEAD of him. D-Jack will bring out the best of 5 and vice versa. If only he had the threat of a REAL run game (like Eli) to open up the field via play action. Opposing teams know damn well that he is tucking that ball into his chest instead of handing it off, which is HUGE for pass rushing specialists. Andy also needs to rip those Shotgun formation run plays and those A-gap run plays out of the menu. They are about as stale as my in-laws easter candy.

That's always true. All that does matter is winning but what has he won? He's won one conference title and no Super Bowl. He's 1-5 in conference title games and the SB. He's got a lower winning % in the playoffs than in the regular season. We all know that he hasn't had great receivers but he's had the same ones for each playoff season as he's had for that regular season. His numbers tail off as the games get bigger. So far, of all the quarterbacks I've done, here's how their regular season rating compares to their rating in conference title games/SB

Aikman +23.0
Montana +12.6
Bradshaw +9.7
Favre +6.1
Warner +1.8
Brady -3.7
Young -3.9
Elway -5.5
Roethlisberger -7.3
Marino -12.1
McNabb -13.5
Fouts -16.0
Kelly -22.9
P. Manning -30.4

[King Glorious]

Dan Fouts

Games.........171 (86-84-1.506).......7 (3-4.429)...........2 (0-2.000)
Comp%...........58.9.......................55.6... ..................50.7
YPG..............248.8.....................303.6.. ..................260.5
TD%.............4.6..........................4.2.. .....................4.1
Int%.............4.3..........................5.6. .....................5.5
Rating.........80.9..........................70.1. ...................64.9

Fouts is more highly regarded than he probably should be. He played in an offensive system that was highly prolific and his career touchdown and yards numbers are good. But he was a below average passer when it came to accuracy and his rating was average at best. During the playoffs, I'd even say he was mediocre. Rating was bad, accuracy was bad, and he threw more interceptions than touchdowns.

[King Glorious]

Warren Moon

Games.........203 (102-101.502)..........10 (3-7.300)
Comp%...............58.5........................64 .3
YPG...................241.2......................2 87.0
TD%...................4.2......................... 4.2
Int%..................3.4......................... .3.5
Rating...............80.8........................8 4.9

Moon is interesting. He didn't really play for a lot of good teams and his career winning percentage is not good. He's got a decent qb rating and his completion % is a little low but not horrible. What gets interesting is when you look at his playoff numbers. He increases his production in all areas by a good margin but the record doesn't show it. He's never played in a conference title game or Super Bowl so that's why there are only two columns for him. With the other guys I've done, you can see a correlation between their play and their team's success. With Moon, you can't. He's one of those that you want to say it's not his fault when his team loses because he did his job.

[declansharbor]

QB ratings are as useless as turf beyers.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Kelly isn't in the HOF for his Super Bowls. He was hungover for the first one (that was the last year they had one week between conference championships and the Super Bowl, the Bills were big favorites and they admittedly partied too hard), and then let the pressure get to him in the last three while facing incredibly good teams. I'd like to see several QB's ratings against the 1991 Redskins (best team in my lifetime), 1992 Cowboys, and 1993 Cowboys.

Regular season defense with Kelly's SB numbers against them in ()
1991 Redskins allowed
53.3% completions (48.3)
205.8 ypg (275)
58.9 rating (44.8)

1992 Cowboys allowed
54.3% completions (57.1)
189.6 ypg (82)
69.9 rating (58.9)

That SB is kind of odd numbers wise because Kelly only three seven passes. He went 4-7 for 82 yards with no touchdowns and two interceptions.

1993 Cowboys allowed
60.2% completions (62.0)
209.2 ypg (260)
75.3 rating (67.1)

In each situation, his rating was well below what the defense allowed during the course of the year. Interstingly, in the one you say he partied too hard and was hung over, he performed better than the rest of the league against the Giants.

1990 Giants allowed
56.0% completions (60.0)
183.3 ypg (212)
62.2 rating (81.5)

Kelly had played the Giants in the regular season and had a 129.0 rating against them.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Regular season defense with Kelly's SB numbers against them in ()
1991 Redskins allowed
53.3% completions (48.3)
205.8 ypg (275)
58.9 rating (44.8)

1992 Cowboys allowed
54.3% completions (57.1)
189.6 ypg (82)
69.9 rating (58.9)

That SB is kind of odd numbers wise because Kelly only three seven passes. He went 4-7 for 82 yards with no touchdowns and two interceptions.

1993 Cowboys allowed
60.2% completions (62.0)
209.2 ypg (260)
75.3 rating (67.1)

In each situation, his rating was well below what the defense allowed during the course of the year. Interstingly, in the one you say he partied too hard and was hung over, he performed better than the rest of the league against the Giants.

1990 Giants allowed
56.0% completions (60.0)
183.3 ypg (212)
62.2 rating (81.5)

Kelly had played the Giants in the regular season and had a 129.0 rating against them.

That is pretty amazing that the Redskins held their opponents to a 58.9 rating on the season. Basically they made every opposing QB in the NFL look like Ryan Leaf.