Beyers: Summer Bird 111; Kowboy/Music 108; Gone Astray 103

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I'm actually not sure what an unfairly run race is?

Yeah you do, and so does everyone else here.

Perhaps the use of the words fair or unfair are bad choices, but everyone knows what the intent/meaning is.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah you do, and so does everyone else here.

Perhaps the use of the words fair or unfair are bad choices, but everyone knows what the intent/meaning is.

race dynamics may be a better word than fair or unfair. guess that is where i am getting confused. You guys are talking about pace, right?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

There's more to it than just race dynamics.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah you do, and so does everyone else here.

Perhaps the use of the words fair or unfair are bad choices, but everyone knows what the intent/meaning is.

Yeah we do know what you mean but isn't there something to be said about a horse that can adapt to the conditions of a race and not need it to go a certain way in order to perform at his or her best? If Dutrow sends out two rabbits to beat Commentator and Commentator doesn't have the ability to take back and relax off the speed, it doesn't mean it was unfair to Commentator. If Mine that Bird gets caught in a four horse field and the leader walks around in 25 1/5, 50 2/5 and doesn't get caught, I don't see that as unfair to MTB. I get what you are saying about race dynamics maybe not favoring a particular horse's style but to me that's a chink in the armor of the horse if he can't adapt. Take a horse like Rachel. If they send speed out to compromise her, she lets them go and sits back. If there's no speed, she makes the pace. She doesn't get compromised by race dynamics. When we saw Summer Bird run in Arkansas, he ran like a deep closer and one that would need a strong pace in front of him to show his best. But now look at him. He's got the speed to put himself into races whenever they want to so he's not going to be a victim of any race dynamics. To me, that's what separates the top horses from the good horses.

[King Glorious]

By the way, Zensational is faster than Midnite Lute. Just not for the whole six furlongs probably. I think Baffert was referring to which of his horses, if you sent them balls out from the gate, was the fastest.