NYT: Drugs & I Want Revenge

[randallscott35]

Yes Aidan O'Brien is on my speed dial of course. The point I was making is there is plenty of horse racing in the world without lasix, you seem to think there wouldn't be which is silly. We'd be fine in this country without lasix, we were before lasix. It's also kind of easy to be biased in this argument as a trainer who relies on it. Are there horses you don't give it to? Probably not, which means regardless of whether a horse needs it or not you give it....which is what nearly all U.S. trainers do.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Yes Aidan O'Brien is on my speed dial of course. The point I was making is there is plenty of horse racing in the world without lasix, you seem to think there wouldn't be which is silly. We'd be fine in this country without lasix, we were before lasix. It's also kind of easy to be biased in this argument as a trainer who relies on it. Are there horses you don't give it to? Probably not, which means regardless of whether a horse needs it or not you give it....which is what nearly all U.S. trainers do.

I love this argument. Because I use it and actually have years of practical knowledge dealing with bleeders and Lasix I am too biased to accurately understand the issue properly?

Why do you think trainers started using Lasix?

I dont "rely" on Lasix. I use it because it works. If they banned it I would have to find another product to use because bleeding wont stop without Lasix. Just as Polytrack and no toe grabs havent stopped horses from breaking down. It is a false argument

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I love this argument. Because I use it and actually have years of practical knowledge dealing with bleeders and Lasix I am too biased to accurately understand the issue properly?

Why do you think trainers started using Lasix?

I dont "rely" on Lasix. I use it because it works. If they banned it I would have to find another product to use because bleeding wont stop without Lasix. Just as Polytrack and no toe grabs havent stopped horses from breaking down. It is a false argument

Surely a less snarky response would do better but fine....Fact is, if you use it with every single horse, from the get go(as in first race and on), you have no idea who needs it and who doesn't.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Surely a less snarky response would do better but fine....Fact is, if you use it with every single horse, from the get go(as in first race and on), you have no idea who needs it and who doesn't.

I find it interesting that you know so much about training horses. During your opinion forming research on the topic did you never come across a trainer or vet attest to using Lasix as a tool of prevention? One thing I have found is that horses with a single severe bleeding episode are much more likely to become chronic bleeders than those that never have one. So I should risk my horses health and my clients investment to find out if my horse "needs" it? The idea that horses that are "bleeders" shouldnt run be allowed to run makes as much sense as saying kids that are stupid shouldnt be allowed in school.


Do you wait till your tires run flat before replacing them?

[randallscott35]

I didn't realize I couldn't have an opinion on lasix if I wasn't a trainer. I missed that memo....Fact is I'd rather not have it like a good portion of the world. That's it.

[Honu]

Ive always wondered why a majority of Euro's use Lasix when they come and run in the states. If all is fine in well and the horses that race in Europe and abroad dont use Lasix to run on when they are at home why do they use it here? Hmm maybe because the horses do bleed there , maybe not gushing out their noses always , but when scoped after a race they show that they have bled.
Just a little FYI , trainers in Europe and abroad do use Lasix for workouts , maybe not with every horses every time but they do use it .

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I didn't realize I couldn't have an opinion on lasix if I wasn't a trainer. I missed that memo....Fact is I'd rather not have it like a good portion of the world. That's it.

Hey believe whatever you want. Want to believe Lasix masks things and creates genetic mutants, knock yourself out.

[Fulla Sheets]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Hey believe whatever you want. Want to believe Lasix masks things and creates genetic mutants, knock yourself out.

So thats how Scav got that way.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Yes Aidan O'Brien is on my speed dial of course. The point I was making is there is plenty of horse racing in the world without lasix, you seem to think there wouldn't be which is silly. We'd be fine in this country without lasix, we were before lasix. It's also kind of easy to be biased in this argument as a trainer who relies on it. Are there horses you don't give it to? Probably not, which means regardless of whether a horse needs it or not you give it....which is what nearly all U.S. trainers do.

i've seen the 'they don't use it in europe' argument before...but it seems every euro horse is on it within minutes of touching down at the airport when they fly in for the bc. i guess trainers suddenly aren't so hesitant once they are allowed to use it. maybe it's the north american climate that makes horses into bleeders.