10/3 (BEL): JCGC, Hirsch, Beldame, Flower Bowl, Vosburgh (G1's)

RockHardTen1985 · #1 10-04-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Left Bank

So who will be the horse to beat there?

Even with her loss yesterday I would take Goldikova any day over Gio Ponti.

3kings · #2 10-04-2009, 10:33 AM

Is it possible that Gio Ponti wasn't on go for this? The big race is next month (whichever they choose) and they could have been using this as a prep. That being said, even as a prep, he should have run past his rival today.

NTamm1215 · #3 10-04-2009, 10:40 AM

Is it possible that everyone's ignoring that that race was run under some of the most ridiculous conditions in the history of American racing? Is it possible that Gio Ponti is nowhere near a 12 furlong horse and certainly not the 14 or so that yesterday's race played like?

I understand that he's supposed to run right by Interpatation but one thing that Interpatation had proved he was was a stayer.

I would put slightly above 0 stock in that performance in terms of analyzing Gio Ponti. I also love him cutting back in the Classic and I think that was the intent all along.

NT

3kings · #4 10-04-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Is it possible that everyone's ignoring that that race was run under some of the most ridiculous conditions in the history of American racing? Is it possible that Gio Ponti is nowhere near a 12 furlong horse and certainly not the 14 or so that yesterday's race played like?

I understand that he's supposed to run right by Interpatation but one thing that Interpatation had proved he was was a stayer.

I would put slightly above 0 stock in that performance in terms of analyzing Gio Ponti. I also love him cutting back in the Classic and I think that was the intent all along.

NT

That is what I was insinuating with the post above yours.

Danzig · #5 10-04-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Even with her loss yesterday I would take Goldikova any day over Gio Ponti.

this makes absolutely no sense. exactly what type of logic do you use to decide that one horse has an excusable effort, while another does not? if goldikova is worthy of benefit of the doubt, i would expect the same could be said about gio ponti.

RockHardTen1985 · #6 10-04-2009, 11:45 AM

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this makes absolutely no sense. exactly what type of logic do you use to decide that one horse has an excusable effort, while another does not? if goldikova is worthy of benefit of the doubt, i would expect the same could be said about gio ponti.

Gio Ponti is simply not very fast and never has been. Hes a grinder, a high classed plodder IMO. He beat shitty Euros at best in the Arlington Million "ask Brockguy about it, Im sure he will agree"

Where are the good horses he has beat this year? Im just not sold on him and I never have been.... If you want to sit here and argue Gio Ponti is better then Goldikova going a mile then IMO the joke is on you.

the_fat_man · #7 10-04-2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Gio Ponti is simply not very fast and never has been. Hes a grinder, a high classed plodder IMO. He beat shitty Euros at best in the Arlington Million "ask Brockguy about it, Im sure he will agree"

Where are the good horses he has beat this year? Im just not sold on him and I never have been.... If you want to sit here and argue Gio Ponti is better then Goldikova going a mile then IMO the joke is on you.

Why do you insist on utilizing catch phrases to categorize race horses? Especially on turf, where it's all about trips.

Gio is the best turf horse in the country. PERIOD. He's proven this by winning under a number of different setups, something 99.99% of all horses are unable to do. Nonetheless, GP is not better than Ventura going 8F. (Unless Gomez is up and blows the ride again.) As for Goldikova, you really need to watch the replay of her BC win again and try, AT LEAST, to understand why she got the ABSOLUTELY BEST POSSIBLE TRIP a horse can get.

my miss storm cat · #8 10-04-2009, 12:37 PM

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Gio is the best turf horse in the country. PERIOD.

In your opinion is it because he's that good or is it by default?

jms62 · #9 10-04-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Why do you insist on utilizing catch phrases to categorize race horses? Especially on turf, where it's all about trips.

Gio is the best turf horse in the country. PERIOD. He's proven this by winning under a number of different setups, something 99.99% of all horses are unable to do. Nonetheless, GP is not better than Ventura going 8F. (Unless Gomez is up and blows the ride again.) As for Goldikova, you really need to watch the replay of her BC win again and try, AT LEAST, to understand why she got the ABSOLUTELY BEST POSSIBLE TRIP a horse can get.

Did you feel Dominquez Declared victory too early yesterday thinking that Interpratation was done.

the_fat_man · #10 10-04-2009, 12:45 PM

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Did you feel Dominquez Declared victory too early yesterday thinking that Interpratation was done.

Dominguez moved too soon in the Man o' War and the Million, as well. How do you explain yesterday's performance? Doesn't make sense. Losing to that mule?

Travis Stone · #11 10-04-2009, 01:13 PM

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As for Goldikova, you really need to watch the replay of her BC win again and try, AT LEAST, to understand why she got the ABSOLUTELY BEST POSSIBLE TRIP a horse can get.

I said this in another thread but no one responded... it was a dream run for her last year.

Danzig · #12 10-04-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Gio Ponti is simply not very fast and never has been. Hes a grinder, a high classed plodder IMO. He beat shitty Euros at best in the Arlington Million "ask Brockguy about it, Im sure he will agree"

Where are the good horses he has beat this year? Im just not sold on him and I never have been.... If you want to sit here and argue Gio Ponti is better then Goldikova going a mile then IMO the joke is on you.

i never said i thought gio was better than goldikova. what i said was i don't understand why you think goldikova should get excused for a loss, but one loss is all you need to completely toss gio ponti.