Saturday races

[jms62]

Originally Posted by CrossfireHurricane

Summer Bird is a big name? You couldn't find 1 person outside current fans that have ever heard of him.

Icon Project on the other hand has proven her greatness and she is much more likely to do something like win in a romp than anyone else.

Icon Project probably would have won the JCGC if entered.

Icon Project is the best dirt animal in the world. She is very fast and has no 9f distance limitations.

Rachel Alexandra is on the shelf because she likely could not beat IP.

You posted this on purpose to fire everyone up right.

[TropicalStorm]

I posted it because I believe Icon Project is the best dirt animal in the world at the classic distance and may be the best 9f horse as well.

I hope she returns next year because I believe she will be a real all-time great, not a manufactured all-time great that needs a huge weight break to beat very mediocre horses.

I am an old school person that believes the word greatness gets thrown around too much and I have not seen a great horse since Ghostzapper. Invasor was close but even he fell short of great.

I like Rachel Alexandra but a horse that goes on the shelf in September that averages beyers below 110 is not great.

I know the sport is looking for some savior but a 110 level beyer horse is pretty average by any year. And most do not need weight breaks to do it. If anything they usually carry more weight.

The only truly great horses that will run in the US this year are Europeans in the mile and maybe in the Classic.

Could Rachel be great next year? Yes. But as of now she appears to be no faster than your typical top grade 1 horse of any year.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by CrossfireHurricane

I posted it because I believe Icon Project is the best dirt animal in the world at the classic distance and may be the best 9f horse as well.

I hope she returns next year because I believe she will be a real all-time great, not a manufactured all-time great that needs a huge weight break to beat very mediocre horses.

I am an old school person that believes the word greatness gets thrown around too much and I have not seen a great horse since Ghostzapper. Invasor was close but even he fell short of great.

I like Rachel Alexandra but a horse that goes on the shelf in September that averages beyers below 110 is not great.

I know the sport is looking for some savior but a 110 level beyer horse is pretty average by any year. And most do not need weight breaks to do it. If anything they usually carry more weight.

The only truly great horses that will run in the US this year are Europeans in the mile and maybe in the Classic.

Could Rachel be great next year? Yes. But as of now she appears to be no faster than your typical top grade 1 horse of any year.

lol

[lemoncrush]

On a somewhat related note, is there any reason why the NTRA has completely phased out the National PK 4 wager? I know they used to do it at least 3-4 times a year, and I think the next one would be next week, with races and Belmont, Santa Anita and maybe Keenland.

Every horse player I know likes these types of bets, and with the Magna 5 and the Sixty Minute 6 being things of the past, I think doing more of these could only help the game, and the exposure of national racing. It makes for great TV, too, when ESPN is showing the Champagne from Belmont, the Goodwood from Santa Anita and the Spinster from Keenland, etc..

[Antitrust32]

PG's opinion is 1000000X better than CrossdresserHurricane. In fact, I've noticed a big improvement in PG's handicapping and posting abilities. I'm sure I'll get a few for that but lets get back to Icon Project.

I'm sorry, but she's not the best dirt horsie in the world. Its really that simple.

[TropicalStorm]

If Icon Project is not the best dirt horse in the world who is?

Summer Bird? She appears to be quite a bit faster.

I saw Rachel and Icon Project this summer and Icon Project looked much more formidable. She had no proble going 10f.

If I am correct Icon Project has the biggest two turn figure in the country this year and the fastest non off-track figure too.

Please though, tell me who could beat her on the dirt? I could use a laugh.

It sounded like on the radioshow this week that the IP connections are afraid of nobody and I agree.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by CrossfireHurricane

If Icon Project is not the best dirt horse in the world who is?

Summer Bird? She appears to be quite a bit faster.

I saw Rachel and Icon Project this summer and Icon Project looked much more formidable. She had no proble going 10f.

If I am correct Icon Project has the biggest two turn figure in the country this year and the fastest non off-track figure too.

Please though, tell me who could beat her on the dirt? I could use a laugh.

It sounded like on the radioshow this week that the IP connections are afraid of nobody and I agree.

You're not correct.

[Gander]

[quote=Antitrust32]PG's opinion is 1000000X better than CrossdresserHurricane. In fact, I've noticed a big improvement in PG's handicapping and posting abilities. I'm sure I'll get a few for that but lets get back to Icon Project.

I'm sorry, but she's not the best dirt horsie in the world. Its really that simple.[/QUOTE]

I dont think its that simple and as much as I like Rachel, saying Icon Project could beat her at a classic distance isnt much of a stretch at all. I wish she was running on real dirt this weekend to show how much better she is than Music Note. What a jip we get as fans of dirt racing because of the polyjunk.

[TropicalStorm]

Polytrack is ok but not for the Breeders Cup. It makes sense at Turfway and it is even ok for 1 of CA tracks and I think it would be fine at Aqueduct, but it should never be a BC venue because there are plenty of turf races.

The great thing about the Classic being on dirt is a great grass horse that can win a race like the ARC and then a dirt classic would be a truly incredible animal.

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

PG's opinion is 1000000X better than CrossdresserHurricane. In fact, I've noticed a big improvement in PG's handicapping and posting abilities. I'm sure I'll get a few for that but lets get back to Icon Project.

I'm sorry, but she's not the best dirt horsie in the world. Its really that simple.

Because it's Hossy being incognito!!

[TropicalStorm]

So slotdirt, if I am not correct how come you and nobody else here could come up with a single dirt horse that could beat Icon Project at the classic distance?

As usual, people with no answers just make simple mindless replies.

Icon Project is clearly the best dirt horse in the world. That is why Rachel stopped running with the biggest races of the year still remaining.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by CrossfireHurricane

So slotdirt, if I am not correct how come you and nobody else here could come up with a single dirt horse that could beat Icon Project at the classic distance?

As usual, people with no answers just make simple mindless replies.

Icon Project is clearly the best dirt horse in the world. That is why Rachel stopped running with the biggest races of the year still remaining.

If you're just trying to rile people up, please stop.

If you really believe things like this, please keep betting.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

If you're just trying to rile people up, please stop.

If you really believe things like this, please keep betting.

This is my favorite:

Originally Posted by Crossfirehurricane

I like Rachel Alexandra but a horse that goes on the shelf in September that averages beyers below 110 is not great.

Apparently going on the shelf in September precludes greatness.

Note to self: Add Greatness Calendar to Christmas list.

[JJP]

Who the hell is Icon Project? I thought it was funny last year when somebody said Commentator, in 2008, was better than Curlin. At least Commentator had some decent races on his resume.