All-time Top 12 seasons by a QB

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

And I'm sure Brady beating Manning in those clutch situations had nothing to do with Manning having to face the Patriots defense while Brady got to face the Colts defense. The fact is Brady is a Vinatieri 48 yard field goal and a Vinatieri 46 yard field goal from being 1 for 4 in the Super Bowl and don't tell me that Brady somehow caused Vinatieri to make his field goals while Jim Kelly caused Norwood to miss him. He is also 1 for 4 against the spread in Super Bowls which means his team has underperformed against expectations. And the one that he actually covered the spread was completely due to the New England defense shutting down what was thought to be an unstoppable Ram offense. Brady threw for 145 yards in that game.

Vinatieri was clutch, there is nothing remarkable about Brady in clutch situations, that is largely a myth cause he's a popular celebrity, similar to people regarding Jeter as a great clutch hitter when he's just solid in the clutch.

How can you watch Manning and his jittery feet in those situations and no realize that there's more to it than just the stats? Brady has a presence and brings a calmness to the team that is reassuring and he exudes confidence. Hell, I've even seen it in Eli Manning more than I've seen it in Peyton. You want to talk about underperforming against expectations? How many times in a row have the Colts won at least 10 games and they have one title to show for it. They are like the Braves of the NFL. When the breaks don't go your way once or twice, chalk that up to bad luck. When they continually go against you, while they continually went Brady's way, that's not luck. Then take it back to Peyton's troubles in college and you see a pattern. I think Peyton is a better passer. Better at reading a defense and making the tougher throws. Better at leading a team for 45 minutes a game. But when it's on the line, give me Brady every time and while you come up with your reasons why Brady won and Manning lost, be it the defense they face or the idiot kicker making or missing, etc, I'll be celebrating the championship. I'll always take wins over excuses.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

How can you watch Manning and his jittery feet in those situations and no realize that there's more to it than just the stats? Brady has a presence and brings a calmness to the team that is reassuring and he exudes confidence. Hell, I've even seen it in Eli Manning more than I've seen it in Peyton. You want to talk about underperforming against expectations? How many times in a row have the Colts won at least 10 games and they have one title to show for it. They are like the Braves of the NFL. When the breaks don't go your way once or twice, chalk that up to bad luck. When they continually go against you, while they continually went Brady's way, that's not luck. Then take it back to Peyton's troubles in college and you see a pattern. I think Peyton is a better passer. Better at reading a defense and making the tougher throws. Better at leading a team for 45 minutes a game. But when it's on the line, give me Brady every time and while you come up with your reasons why Brady won and Manning lost, be it the defense they face or the idiot kicker making or missing, etc, I'll be celebrating the championship. I'll always take wins over excuses.

what he said

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

How can you watch Manning and his jittery feet in those situations and no realize that there's more to it than just the stats? Brady has a presence and brings a calmness to the team that is reassuring and he exudes confidence. Hell, I've even seen it in Eli Manning more than I've seen it in Peyton. You want to talk about underperforming against expectations? How many times in a row have the Colts won at least 10 games and they have one title to show for it. They are like the Braves of the NFL. When the breaks don't go your way once or twice, chalk that up to bad luck. When they continually go against you, while they continually went Brady's way, that's not luck. Then take it back to Peyton's troubles in college and you see a pattern. I think Peyton is a better passer. Better at reading a defense and making the tougher throws. Better at leading a team for 45 minutes a game. But when it's on the line, give me Brady every time and while you come up with your reasons why Brady won and Manning lost, be it the defense they face or the idiot kicker making or missing, etc, I'll be celebrating the championship. I'll always take wins over excuses.

There's your answer right there. How many titles does Brady have without Vinatieri?? Zero. How many has Manning won without Vinatieri?? Zero. He is the magic elixer for both fellows. If Tom Brady had Scott Norwood and Jim Kelly had Adam Vinatieri, they'd have the same number of championships.

Brady often needed that idiot kicker.