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[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

C'mon your comment "Obama has never been considered a "liberal", in the US. At best, center left." was post of the year material

but your refusing to say you were wrong after a preponderance of evidence was shown and correct only in your head is where I find the amusement.

He's not as liberal as I'd like.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

He's not as liberal as I'd like.

But at least you're out about it.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

But at least you're out about it.

I think people see defecit and forget that a true Liberal would be doing a lot more things that he isn't.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I think people see defecit and forget that a true Liberal would be doing a lot more things that he isn't.

And he's spending all his time hemming and hawing about bipartisanship with a group that has NO interest whatsoever in bipartisanship.

You have the majority, ram this $hit through and take ownership of it. Because all that's happening now is that NOTHING is getting done, and that's gonna get him voted out of office just as fast as people not liking his policies....may as well just get to doing what he was put there to do and we'll all decide whether or not we like it afterwards instead of us deciding whether or not we like his constant capitulating to people who have no interest in working with him at all, and have no qualms about admitting that him losing is the ONLY thing they care about.

They didn't care what we thought for the last eight years, I don't understand the need to play nice now.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

And he's spending all his time hemming and hawing about bipartisanship with a group that has NO interest whatsoever in bipartisanship.

You have the majority, ram this $hit through and take ownership of it. Because all that's happening now is that NOTHING is getting done, and that's gonna get him voted out of office just as fast as people not liking his policies....may as well just get to doing what he was put there to do and we'll all decide whether or not we like it afterwards instead of us deciding whether or not we like his constant capitulating to people who have no interest in working with him at all, and have no qualms about admitting that him losing is the ONLY thing they care about.

They didn't care what we thought for the last eight years, I don't understand the need to play nice now.

Yeah lets not think things through. Just ram the s.hit through and deal with the consequences later. I'm sure the Health Care plan and the rest of his agenda won't be a f.uckup of epic proportions like the Iraq war.

Grade Jub!@

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah lets not think things through. Just ram the s.hit through and deal with the consequences later. I'm sure the Health Care plan and the rest of his agenda won't be a f.uckup of epic proportions like the Iraq war.

Grade Jub!@

Thinking things through is one thing. I support that, but setting up that straw man in response to my post was of course necessary. Shoving it through because you have the votes and not thinking about it are two different things...but of course you knew that already.. Anything the Dems want, they can basically pass, but instead they're busy capitulating at every turn because they're pathetic and afraid of a bunch of loudmouths.

But all this stupid **** about wanting Republican votes for things and wanting to work together, when Republicans have indicated they have no interest at all in working with him on anything (unless working with him means getting everything they want, exactly how they want it, which defeats the point of them losing the last election in the first place) is going to ensure that he fails...just like he's doing now. At this rate, he's certainly not going to get voted out of office based on his policies, since he's not enacting any of them because he's too busy caving on EVERYthing they want. He'll get voted out because he did NOTHING in four years. And that will be his fault.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Thinking things through is one thing. I support that, but setting up that straw man in response to my post was of course necessary. Shoving it through because you have the votes and not thinking about it are two different things...but of course you knew that already.. Anything the Dems want, they can basically pass, but instead they're busy capitulating at every turn because they're pathetic and afraid of a bunch of loudmouths.

But all this stupid **** about wanting Republican votes for things and wanting to work together, when Republicans have indicated they have no interest at all in working with him on anything (unless working with him means getting everything they want, exactly how they want it, which defeats the point of them losing the last election in the first place) is going to ensure that he fails...just like he's doing now. At this rate, he's certainly not going to get voted out of office based on his policies, since he's not enacting any of them because he's too busy caving on EVERYthing they want. He'll get voted out because he did NOTHING in four years. And that will be his fault.

What did you expect? The guy is a p.ussy. Dems are notorious for being weak and indecisive. They are far better politicians than the other side of the aisle.

I'm of the belief that doing nothing is better than doing something. Big head Ted did something and sided with Bush on MIPPA and it did nothing but give the keys to the treasury to the pharmaceutical and insurance companies. These plans originally cost 20% more than original medicare and the coverage was s.hit and doctors could accept the plans on a case by case basis.

To trust the democrats, or any politician for that matter, on an issue as monumental as this is foolish. They are not looking out for our best interests and chances are all they will do is pass something that will take away over 100,000 middle-class jobs and add to the already catastrophically high deficit.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Thinking things through is one thing. I support that, but setting up that straw man in response to my post was of course necessary. Shoving it through because you have the votes and not thinking about it are two different things...but of course you knew that already.. Anything the Dems want, they can basically pass, but instead they're busy capitulating at every turn because they're pathetic and afraid of a bunch of loudmouths.

But all this stupid **** about wanting Republican votes for things and wanting to work together, when Republicans have indicated they have no interest at all in working with him on anything (unless working with him means getting everything they want, exactly how they want it, which defeats the point of them losing the last election in the first place) is going to ensure that he fails...just like he's doing now. At this rate, he's certainly not going to get voted out of office based on his policies, since he's not enacting any of them because he's too busy caving on EVERYthing they want. He'll get voted out because he did NOTHING in four years. And that will be his fault.

Brian he campaigned as a centerist. While that was basically a put on, he is a liberal in just about every sense of the word, if he were to swing far left now he would doom Democrats for years. His policies are going to be screwed up because the guy is simply not a leader. He has consistently let the idiots of the party (Pelosi and Reid) run the show for him. The guy was a popular personality elected, not some great poitician. He has never really accomplished much before other than get elected. That continues. You are mad because you are a far left liberal who thought that having another liberal on top of the two stooges would mean nirvanna for your side. But everyone forgot that the reason that Obama was elected was anger against Bush and the fact that Obama SAID he would be this great unifier who would bring people together. You can blame the GOP for opposing his agenda but he came in with the "we won" attitude and never made any real attempt to work accross the aisle. Obama let Pelosi run the stimlus show and lost control by doing so. The Democratic party is a mess because Obama cant bring them togther. You want something passed, bite the bullet and tone down the liberal rhetoric, come to the table in the middle and maybe something gets done. Otherwise the Dems are handing over everything to the other side and will regret that for years. The reason that the health care thing is a mess is because the far left liberals who represent about 10% of the country, wont back down.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Thinking things through is one thing. I support that, but setting up that straw man in response to my post was of course necessary. Shoving it through because you have the votes and not thinking about it are two different things...but of course you knew that already.. Anything the Dems want, they can basically pass, but instead they're busy capitulating at every turn because they're pathetic and afraid of a bunch of loudmouths.

But all this stupid **** about wanting Republican votes for things and wanting to work together, when Republicans have indicated they have no interest at all in working with him on anything (unless working with him means getting everything they want, exactly how they want it, which defeats the point of them losing the last election in the first place) is going to ensure that he fails...just like he's doing now. At this rate, he's certainly not going to get voted out of office based on his policies, since he's not enacting any of them because he's too busy caving on EVERYthing they want. He'll get voted out because he did NOTHING in four years. And that will be his fault.

one of the consequences of being a party that's inclusive is you have a lot of internal fights. ben nelson isn't exactly ted kennedy.

the idea that dem's can just shove whatever they want down republican throats is actually more a "after an election where we just got our asses handed to us, what do we do now?" republican idea than a democratic one.

in the long run it isn't going to matter much. they'll get older and whiter and the country will get younger and browner.

i don't get the end game republican's think they have but i'm not too worried about the long term.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I think people see defecit and forget that a true Liberal would be doing a lot more things that he isn't.

Who do you hold up as a true liberal? Karl marx?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

He's not as liberal as I'd like.

Who is? He cant do what you guys want because that would insure your side be out of office for a long time. And he knows it.