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Old 09-24-2009, 04:40 PM
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From this article, it looks like Itty Bitty Pretty (owned by STD/Wood and trained by O'Neill) was laid up from May 2006 - May 2007, when she suffered an injury during a (comeback) workout at HOL and had to be euthanized.

Does anyone know why she was laid up -- was it due to injuries or? Any similarity to Lava Man's lay up, besides the length of time?

http://www.drf.com/news/article/85104.html
Think it was a fracture, and the connections said they were going to retire and breed her...

Then she turned up on the worktab...

Then she turned up dead.
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Old 09-24-2009, 10:38 PM
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Itty Bitty Pretty fractured a splint bone coming out of the Oaks (not an uncommon young horse injury) and the bad injury after coming back from the fractured splint removal layoff was a tibia. Those are not connected.

Lying to Old Friends about getting Lava Man, or not keeping Old Friends informed when the connections changed their mind about retirement, is pretty low, indeed, if that happened.

But I don't care if some owner-trainer combo initially says a horse is being retired right after an injury, but then is brought back after the injury is reassessed, healed, and goes through rehab. I wish more horses would be rehabbed and brought back to racing whenever possible for them.

I think predicting disaster for Lava Man because some other horse somewhere had a different injury and didn't come back 100% doesn't make any sense; and predicting disaster for Lava Man because a previous horse owned by the connections had a career ending injury doesn't make sense, either.

I'm glad to see Lava Man back, and I hope he does well and we get to see him run.
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Old 09-24-2009, 11:58 PM
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Itty Bitty Pretty fractured a splint bone coming out of the Oaks (not an uncommon young horse injury) and the bad injury after coming back from the fractured splint removal layoff was a tibia. Those are not connected.

Lying to Old Friends about getting Lava Man, or not keeping Old Friends informed when the connections changed their mind about retirement, is pretty low, indeed, if that happened.

But I don't care if some owner-trainer combo initially says a horse is being retired right after an injury, but then is brought back after the injury is reassessed, healed, and goes through rehab. I wish more horses would be rehabbed and brought back to racing whenever possible for them.

I think predicting disaster for Lava Man because some other horse somewhere had a different injury and didn't come back 100% doesn't make any sense; and predicting disaster for Lava Man because a previous horse owned by the connections had a career ending injury doesn't make sense, either.

I'm glad to see Lava Man back, and I hope he does well and we get to see him run.
I agree. Making that connection between the two cases in that way insinuates that Lava Man will suffer the same fate. That's as ridiculous to me as Shirreffs bringing up Eight Belles and insinuating that Zenyatta can break down if she faces boys simply because Eight Belles did.
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Old 09-25-2009, 07:34 AM
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I agree. Making that connection between the two cases in that way insinuates that Lava Man will suffer the same fate. That's as ridiculous to me as Shirreffs bringing up Eight Belles and insinuating that Zenyatta can break down if she faces boys simply because Eight Belles did.
It doesn't insinuate Lava Man is a fatality candidate. It doesn't insinuate anything. It relates that the same set of connections have proven to be liars and shown to posses poor judgment when making a prior similar decision.

And as an aside, Riot failed to mention that after injuries in one place, horses regularly favor or overcompensate which can produce stress and injury elsewhere.
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Old 09-25-2009, 07:38 AM
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lava is great i hope he does well....
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Old 09-25-2009, 08:47 AM
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He's a thoroughbred, of course he's excited to be back out running again, but that doesn't mean racing should be the only option in my opinion. Clearly the years of racing have taken a toll on him. Just because a horse wants to do something doesn't mean it is right for them...as anyone who has ridden a thoroughbred will atest, they don't exactly do what's best for them.

O'Neil was saying Lava Man was working very well before the retirement - but he was running like a horse who lost interest..did anyone really enjoy watching that?

Everyone loves a comeback story, but personally I just wouldn't fool around with a horse who has already written a fairy tale like story in the history books.
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The issue for me is Lava Man is 8 years old!!! This isn't a 3 or 4 year old with maturity aiding the healing process, the notion that his ankles look like a 3 year olds are complete bullshit!!, unless of course they were comparing him to a 3 year old with cantalope sized ankles, this endeavor reeks of nothing but missing the spotlight and or the money, nothing else!!
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And as an aside, Riot failed to mention that after injuries in one place, horses regularly favor or overcompensate which can produce stress and injury elsewhere.
Of course that's true, it can happen. Do you have any evidence or indication that was the case with the filly in question?

I doubt it is your position that horses should never be healed, rehabbed and brought back into training after any injury - or is it?
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