Rosario investigation (12/13: CHRB clears..)

[chucklestheclown]

Anybody cash?

[2Hot4TV]

I think we can file this in the "What Crock of S@%t" file

[Round Pen]

Delmar Sept 6th Race 11 here's a link to Watch the Replay So you can form your own Opinion

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...edPlaced=False

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Delmar Sept 6th Race 11 here's a link to Watch the Replay So you can form your own Opinion

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...edPlaced=False

I was there and saw the race live and it wouldnt have mattered if Rosario would have had a jett engine up the horses azz he wasnt going to beat the winner.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Honu

I was there and saw the race live and it wouldnt have mattered if Rosario would have had a jett engine up the horses azz he wasnt going to beat the winner.

Thanks for that, though the horse winning has nothing to do with the investigation. Since they pay wagers down to 5th, jockeys are expected, at the least, to try to secure the best placing possible.

[CSC]

I didn't see anything out of the ordinary in the replay that hasn't happened a thousand times a day, Cedros looked hard pressed to hit the board even had Rosario resorted to the whip, which is overrated anyway.

Actually the instructions of Glenney to ask a Jock to keep a horse outside without cover in a turf race should be questioned in my opinion...

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by CSC

I didn't see anything out of the ordinary in the replay that hasn't happened a thousand times a day, Cedros looked hard pressed to hit the board even had Rosario resorted to the whip, which is overrated anyway.

Actually the instructions of Glenney to ask a Jock to keep a horse outside without cover in a turf race should be questioned in my opinion...

Horses do get intimidated when stuck on the rail or when inside of other horses. Some horses would rather race outside of other horses rather to be hemmed in. For example, and it's not quite the same, but if you have a horse who only has a left eye, chances are you are going to want to keep him/her outside of horses so the horse is able to respond to being challenged...

[docicu3]

The horse was spent on the front end and wasn't placing regardless of Rosario's ride at that point. If it wasn't for the report of the intention to buy, an obvious slight of the trainers preparation for the horse, which is reported by the trainer this is a non story. Let the process play out so all have their say before passing judgement. The "attempt to buy" may not be all that is printed but until Vic and Rosario have a chance to respond at the appropriate time the information is incomplete. The whole thing is very strange..

Jockey agents are often asked to inquire about the availability of horses they ride because they already have a relationship with the trainer of the horse. They may or may not have anything to do with the actual purchase of the horse.

Chuck ...Am I wrong in assuming that an agent coming to you the next day about purchasing a horse that ran below expectations is kinda insulting your approach to the horse?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by CSC

I didn't see anything out of the ordinary in the replay that hasn't happened a thousand times a day, Cedros looked hard pressed to hit the board even had Rosario resorted to the whip, which is overrated anyway.

Actually the instructions of Glenney to ask a Jock to keep a horse outside without cover in a turf race should be questioned in my opinion...

He did seem to crack him left handed about 100 yards out. He was on the rail going into the turn. If you watch him when he fades out of the big picture going into the turn Rosario has him on a loose rein, letting him run. The thought that he somehow cost him the win is stupid.

[Cannon Shell]

I have a hard time seeing much wrong with the ride from a investigation standpoint. Rosario did get the horse positioned on the outside. He was put inside by other horses passing him on his outside. The ground he saved on the turn probably got him a check. It was also hard to say that he didnt give his best effort in the stretch, at least from the pan shot.

Jockey agents are often asked to inquire about the availability of horses they ride because they already have a relationship with the trainer of the horse. They may or may not have anything to do with the actual purchase of the horse.


Trainer John Glenney, who owns Cedros with his wife, Kim, said he was "terribly upset" about losing the winning purse in the $67,390 maiden special weight race, which followed the Pacific Classic (gr. I) at the end of the program. In a phone interview from Kentucky, he noted that he had instructed Rosario to keep Cedros on the outside.

"I felt the only way (Cedros) could get beat was if he got in trouble, so I told (Rosario) to keep him in the middle of the track and I didn't think they'd be able to catch him (in the stretch)," Glenney said. "He had him in great position on the outside on the turn and then the horse dropped back.

"I couldn't understand why that happened. Usually, if a horse flips a palate or something, he would continue to drop back. But when he made the stretch, Rosario angled him to the inside and he kept running. It appeared to me that (Cedros) wanted to win the race. So that is why I questioned the ride. It cost me about $40,000."

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Thanks for that, though the horse winning has nothing to do with the investigation. Since they pay wagers down to 5th, jockeys are expected, at the least, to try to secure the best placing possible.

You would roll over in your grave to watch Bill Shoemaker " Save his horse for next time" when he wasn't going to win and what about all the horses that go to the gate that just in it for a tightener for the next race that they are "POINTING TO". So really whats the problem? It is what it is.......if you cant deal with if then try betting boxing.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

You would roll over in your grave to watch Bill Shoemaker " Save his horse for next time" when he wasn't going to win and what about all the horses that go to the gate that just in it for a tightener for the next race that they are "POINTING TO". So really whats the problem? It is what it is.......if you cant deal with if then try betting boxing.

Glenney obviously didn't feel this was a tightener and apparantly this was the race he at least thought he was pointing to. Jockeys are like ex-wives they don't listen.