Summer Bird pointed for The BC

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

If no one has suggested that yet then let me be the first. Lezcano destroyed the only two decent race horses in that races for no explicable reason.

Maybe Lezcano thought that, if Commentator got away with an easy lead (see 2008 Whitney), he'd have no chance to beat him, so he took the race to him. It didn't work out.

So to be "fair," we have to let speed horses have easy leads. Are these set-ups "fair" to closers?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Maybe Lezcano thought that, if Commentator got away with an easy lead (see 2008 Whitney), he'd have no chance to beat him, so he took the race to him. It didn't work out.

So to be "fair," we have to let speed horses have easy leads. Are these set-ups "fair" to closers?

There was already a horse in Tizway taking on Commentator. Lezcano had no reason to push them on Smooth Air. He could have had a perfect trip behind them but instead was so hellbent on destroying Commentator that he killed his own mount as well.

I can only speak for myself but a "fair" race to me is when everyone has a chance. The pace isn't too hot that it is virtually impossible for speed to hold on and isn't too slow that it is virtually impossible to come from off the pace.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

There was already a horse in Tizway taking on Commentator. Lezcano had no reason to push them on Smooth Air. He could have had a perfect trip behind them but instead was so hellbent on destroying Commentator that he killed his own mount as well.

I can only speak for myself but a "fair" race to me is when everyone has a chance. The pace isn't too hot that it is virtually impossible for speed to hold on and isn't too slow that it is virtually impossible to come from off the pace.

Tizway is a NW2X allowance horse that had never competed in a stakes race. Lezcano could not necessarily rely upon Tizway to "soften" Commentator up.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Tizway is a NW2X allowance horse that had never competed in a stakes race. Lezcano could not necessarily rely upon Tizway to "soften" Commentator up.

Crafty Player and Show Boot were claimers and they had no problem softening Commentator up and that was in his prime. You don't need to be a top level horse to soften a horse up in a 9 furlong race. You just need to be able to run 6 furlongs in 1:10 which Tizway is capable of doing.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Crafty Player and Show Boot were claimers and they had no problem softening Commentator up and that was in his prime. You don't need to be a top level horse to soften a horse up in a 9 furlong race. You just need to be able to run 6 furlongs in 1:10 which Tizway is capable of doing.

But there's a big difference between two rabbits who tag-teamed Commentator to the sole benefit of Saint Liam and really had no thoughts of winning the race. This is speculation but Jimmy Bond likely put Tizway in the Whitney to win the race, not to soften Commentator up for Smooth Air or any of the others in the race.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

There was already a horse in Tizway taking on Commentator. Lezcano had no reason to push them on Smooth Air. He could have had a perfect trip behind them but instead was so hellbent on destroying Commentator that he killed his own mount as well.

I can only speak for myself but a "fair" race to me is when everyone has a chance. The pace isn't too hot that it is virtually impossible for speed to hold on and isn't too slow that it is virtually impossible to come from off the pace.

a great horse like Rachel should be able to handle obstacles in her path, like the bolded. there are no excuses like "the pace was too fast". Well lay off the pace then!

for me her real excuses would be.. taken real wide by a jockey around a turn on purpose - Genuine Risk Preakness type stuff - being boxed in with no chance - Touch Gold Preakness & Kittens Joy BC Turf type stuff - horses bump the hell outta her - or her dumb jockey starts celebrating and falls off before the wire.

Those are her only excuses in my opinion.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

a great horse like Rachel should be able to handle obstacles in her path, like the bolded. there are no excuses like "the pace was too fast". Well lay off the pace then!

for me her real excuses would be.. taken real wide by a jockey around a turn on purpose - Genuine Risk Preakness type stuff - being boxed in with no chance - Touch Gold Preakness & Kittens Joy BC Turf type stuff - horses bump the hell outta her - or her dumb jockey starts celebrating and falls off before the wire.

Those are her only excuses in my opinion.

I was just stating what I consider a fair race to be. The horses that are really good and great are the ones that can overcome a race that may be biased against their style and still win. Rachel has proven she can do that twice already.