8/30 (SAR): Personal Ensign (G1)

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Come on Nick. If Castellano doesn't stop the horse from being herded by Garcia by tugging on him righty and then sticking him righty, he never goes by in the lane. That's the affectiveness of herding: a horse gets carried out and goes with the flow.

At some point, Castellano will either kill another jock or himself. The stewards really need to take his **** seriously.

You really think Garcia will be amenable to 'doing the right thing' and allowing another jock to herd his horse after what Castellano did to him yesterday? After what it cost him? Doubtful. There's a protocol these guys follow and Castellano, who herds at will, went against it. I can only hope it's Castellano doing the herding when it happens.

I'm not sure I get it, you're blaming Castellano for not allowing Garcia to herd him? When they got inside the eighth pole Garcia knew he had nothing and his only course of action was to try to initiate some contact. He did it- to an excess.

Castellano stayed straight on CCC as Garcia continued to carry him out. The last bump was just the icing on the cake, as the foul had been enough at that point to warrant a DQ.

NT

[the_fat_man]

I you watch enough headons you'll note that ALL JOCKS basically do nothing when they get herded. This is because forcing their horse to stay straight results in a collision. As a congenital HERDER, Castellano knows this, as he's been granted the benefit of the doubt countless times by other jocks. Watch the replay again: he initially allows his horse to drift, then, realizing what's happening, resists, first by straightening him out, then by sticking him righty. Well, Garcia is coming out and Castellano decides to GO IN. He knew exactly what would happen. There's no collision if he doesn't straighten and then actually have his horse come in (to meet the other).

I'm not saying there are no grounds for DQ. Just that if all jocks rode the way the Castellano did there'd be a lot more collisions and a lot more dead jocks.

Castellano is just a punk. Sooner or later, he'll get his. It's inevitable.

[King Glorious]

I understand that we have gotten pretty bored with watching Zenyatta run the same race over and over again but let's get a grip here. She's still VERY good. Icon Project ran a nice race today but she's not in Zenyatta's class. She's won one dirt race. Don't tell me about the NY Hcp. That was a field of grass horses running in the mud. She was coming off of a loss to Swift Temper. While Swift Temper is a decent horse, she's not in Zenyatta's class either.

I can't believe that in the last five minutes, I've read people making arguments that Past the Point could be a legit opponent for Rachel and that Icon Project can beat Zenyatta.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I can't believe that in the last five minutes, I've read people making arguments that Past the Point could be a legit opponent for Rachel and that Icon Project can beat Zenyatta.

Really? I thought you've been a regular here for more than ten minutes.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Really? I thought you've been a regular here for more than ten minutes.

Point taken.

[Linny]

Garcia will get days for his ride on VH. He looked outside and saw CCM and kept at it with the left hand. He moved out repeatedly and the 2 horses were entangled for a step or two. There was no reason for such use of the left hand.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I can't believe that in the last five minutes, I've read people making arguments that Past the Point could be a legit opponent for Rachel and that Icon Project can beat Zenyatta.

It's almost like saying Stardom Bound is going to win the Kentucky Derby.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

It's almost like saying Stardom Bound is going to win the Kentucky Derby.

Not at all.

Stardom Bound stunk... she was slow and beat nothing fields in unimpressive fashion.

all of IP's dirt races have been huge and Zeyatta would have to find a lot better.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Not at all.



Zeyatta would have to find a lot better.

Are you using the synthetic figures to make that statement?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Are you using the synthetic figures to make that statement?

What is with you and your speed figure obsession?

Of course not.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

It's almost like saying Stardom Bound is going to win the Kentucky Derby.

Zenyatta is not in the top 10 female horses this year.........dont you read this message board, get a clue.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Zenyatta is not in the top 10 female horses this year.........dont you read this message board, get a clue.

Please note that my response was extremely tongue in cheek. Perhaps I'm not the one who needs to get a clue.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Please note that my response was extremely tongue in cheek. Perhaps I'm not the one who needs to get a clue.

and you dont think mine was? wow

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

It's almost like saying Stardom Bound is going to win the Kentucky Derby.

I forgot that King Glorious liked SB to win the Derby ...

This post was way more clever than I first thought.

[tector]

So we have a theoretically possible Beldame of RA, Zenyatta, Icon Project and Careless Jewel.

I know it won't happen, but as far daydreaming goes, it is better than a lot of stuff I've read around here.

We'll be lucky to get 2 of the 4.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

It's almost like saying Stardom Bound is going to win the Kentucky Derby.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

It's almost like saying Stardom Bound is going to win the Kentucky Derby.

You will note that even though I had Stardom Bound on top, it was during her winning streak and even then, I had Rachel as the #2 3yo in the country, male or female. As soon as Stardom Bound lost, I reevaluated. Soon as Rachel won the Oaks, I posted about how STUPID I was to ever believe Stardom Bound could beat her. See, that's the difference with me and some of these others. I may have an opinion on something but when I'm proven wrong, I'll admit it and take shots at myself. Most others on here never reevaluate their positions. If a horse doesn't do what they expected, they just look into the book of 1000 excuses to explain it away and hold onto their position. I won't. I'll just tell you my horse sucked and I was stupid from the start.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

You will note that even though I had Stardom Bound on top, it was during her winning streak and even then, I had Rachel as the #2 3yo in the country, male or female. As soon as Stardom Bound lost, I reevaluated. Soon as Rachel won the Oaks, I posted about how STUPID I was to ever believe Stardom Bound could beat her. See, that's the difference with me and some of these others. I may have an opinion on something but when I'm proven wrong, I'll admit it and take shots at myself. Most others on here never reevaluate their positions. If a horse doesn't do what they expected, they just look into the book of 1000 excuses to explain it away and hold onto their position. I won't. I'll just tell you my horse sucked and I was stupid from the start.

I know, I just like to bust ba**s...

[Gander]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

You will note that even though I had Stardom Bound on top, it was during her winning streak and even then, I had Rachel as the #2 3yo in the country, male or female. As soon as Stardom Bound lost, I reevaluated. Soon as Rachel won the Oaks, I posted about how STUPID I was to ever believe Stardom Bound could beat her. See, that's the difference with me and some of these others. I may have an opinion on something but when I'm proven wrong, I'll admit it and take shots at myself. Most others on here never reevaluate their positions. If a horse doesn't do what they expected, they just look into the book of 1000 excuses to explain it away and hold onto their position. I won't. I'll just tell you my horse sucked and I was stupid from the start.

You give up on horses way too easily King. Case in point Rail Trip who you touted when he was on his win streak then you bashed when he lost. You called him a POS. Then he won in brilliant fashion last time out.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Gander

You give up on horses way too easily King. Case in point Rail Trip who you touted when he was on his win streak then you bashed when he lost. You called him a POS. Then he won in brilliant fashion last time out.

He won nicely last out but that doesn't change the fact that he ran like a pos in those loses. I thought he ran like a pos and that's exactly what I said. Doesn't mean that he'll always be that. I don't understand this "give up on them easily" stuff. I don't have any loyalty to any of them. If I like them and they run like crap, I'll say that. If I don't like them and they run really good, I'll say that. I try to evaluate each horse on a race by race basis and not just say everything they do is good. Being honest about a performance doesn't mean you can't like a horse anymore.