8/30 (SAR): Personal Ensign (G1)

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I'd be willing to take her (Icon Project) over Zenyatta....

Agree, at 1 1/4, What would happen if she faced Rachel? Shes clearly a stayer.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Agree, at 1 1/4, What would happen if she faced Rachel? Shes clearly a stayer.

icon project wouldn't be getting her picture taken.

[eajinabi]

Didnt AllIcansayiswow and Lethal Heat finish a decent 2nd and 3rd against the boys in the Dela Mar Mile? They both faced Zenyatta in the past

[Gander]

Originally Posted by Danzig

icon project wouldn't be getting her picture taken.

I think Icon Project would beat Zenyatta on real dirt. Shes really a tigress on the dirt. Wow. She was far closer to the pace than usual today and even ran better. Wow.

Anyone notice that all of the big Grade 1's this summer at Saratoga have been complete blowouts? I cant recall a close finish.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Gander

I think Icon Project would beat Zenyatta on real dirt. Shes really a tigress on the dirt. Wow. She was far closer to the pace than usual today and even ran better. Wow.

Anyone notice that all of the big Grade 1's this summer at Saratoga have been complete blowouts? I cant recall a close finish.

Think back like 27 hours.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Think back like 27 hours.

Eating Dinner? WTF

[Gander]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Think back like 27 hours.

It was a Grade 2.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Gander

It was a Grade 2.

OMG....

KINGS BISHOP

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Gander

It was a Grade 2.

The King's Bishop was not a blowout.

NT

[Gander]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The King's Bishop was not a blowout.

NT

Thats true, that was a good race. What do you think the margin of victory would have been if Vineyard Haven didnt swerve and knock the Candyman out of stride? 1-2 lengths?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Danzig

icon project wouldn't be getting her picture taken.

At 1 1/8 I agree with you. Im not so sure at the Classic Distance.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

At 1 1/8 I agree with you. Im not so sure at the Classic Distance.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Thats the response I would expect.

[the_fat_man]

Come on Nick. If Castellano doesn't stop the horse from being herded by Garcia by tugging on him righty and then sticking him righty, he never goes by in the lane. That's the affectiveness of herding: a horse gets carried out and goes with the flow.

At some point, Castellano will either kill another jock or himself. The stewards really need to take his **** seriously.

You really think Garcia will be amenable to 'doing the right thing' and allowing another jock to herd his horse after what Castellano did to him yesterday? After what it cost him? Doubtful. There's a protocol these guys follow and Castellano, who herds at will, went against it. I can only hope it's Castellano doing the herding when it happens.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Come on Nick. If Castellano doesn't stop the horse from being herded by Garcia by tugging on him righty and then sticking him righty, he never goes by in the lane. That's the affectiveness of herding: a horse gets carried out and goes with the flow.

At some point, Castellano will either kill another jock or himself. The stewards really need to take his **** seriously.

You really think Garcia will be amenable to 'doing the right thing' and allowing another jock to herd his horse after what Castellano did to him yesterday? After what it cost him? Doubtful. There's a protocol these guys follow and Castellano, who herds at will, went against it. I can only hope it's Castellano doing the herding when it happens.

I'm not sure I get it, you're blaming Castellano for not allowing Garcia to herd him? When they got inside the eighth pole Garcia knew he had nothing and his only course of action was to try to initiate some contact. He did it- to an excess.

Castellano stayed straight on CCC as Garcia continued to carry him out. The last bump was just the icing on the cake, as the foul had been enough at that point to warrant a DQ.

NT

[the_fat_man]

I you watch enough headons you'll note that ALL JOCKS basically do nothing when they get herded. This is because forcing their horse to stay straight results in a collision. As a congenital HERDER, Castellano knows this, as he's been granted the benefit of the doubt countless times by other jocks. Watch the replay again: he initially allows his horse to drift, then, realizing what's happening, resists, first by straightening him out, then by sticking him righty. Well, Garcia is coming out and Castellano decides to GO IN. He knew exactly what would happen. There's no collision if he doesn't straighten and then actually have his horse come in (to meet the other).

I'm not saying there are no grounds for DQ. Just that if all jocks rode the way the Castellano did there'd be a lot more collisions and a lot more dead jocks.

Castellano is just a punk. Sooner or later, he'll get his. It's inevitable.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Thats the response I would expect. Rachel has yet to go the classic distance, IP is a proven stayer. Who has now run 2 gigantic races.

lol

yeah, that's why everyone is ducking icon project, right? i know every day when i read bloodhorse, trainers are talking about trying to avoid icon project.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol

yeah, that's why everyone is ducking icon project, right? i know every day when i read bloodhorse, trainers are talking about trying to avoid icon project.

Danzig its not the point I was making. IP has now run 2 gigantic races and her other race they crawled up front over a speed favoring track. She is clearly a stayer, she has gone 1 1/2 on turf and ran well, she has freaked at 1 1/8 on dirt and now 1 1/4 on dirt. She has to be considered legit competition.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Danzig its not the point I was making. IP has now run 2 gigantic races and her other race they crawled up front over a speed favoring track. She is clearly a stayer, she has gone 1 1/2 on turf and ran well, she has freaked at 1 1/8 on dirt and now 1 1/4 on dirt. She has to be considered legit competition.

to rachel?? how many horses now have you said that about? it seems every horse that wins these days, you're immediately on here asking if they're the one to take down rachel. it's odd.

i hadn't replied to you much at all since your latest reappearance. i think i'll go back to that tactic.